The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Who is saying this?There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Trabi601 said:
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
I think your find it's countries in mainland Europe that have a habit of sliding not the UK!!Hitler,Mussolini,Franco,Petain.......
///ajd said:
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
HTH
Derek Smith said:
Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Sorry about your holiday money going down 8% Derek.For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Skip the side salad and you'll pull through this economic travesty.
We are all going to have to make sacrifices.
Mr Poison said:
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Odious creature, find a hole.
don'tbesilly said:
Mr Poison said:
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Odious creature, find a hole.
don'tbesilly said:
Mr Poison said:
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Odious creature, find a hole.
There is no place in our society for that behaviour, just as there is no place for the examples of abuse of racial hatred or telling legal migrants to go home. Completely unacceptable.
FiF said:
don'tbesilly said:
Mr Poison said:
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either. There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
Odious creature, find a hole.
There is no place in our society for that behaviour, just as there is no place for the examples of abuse of racial hatred or telling legal migrants to go home. Completely unacceptable.
I'd also like to make it very clear that I have received no racial abuse since the recent victory. No one has told me to go home either.
Some people have made me feel unwelcome by labelling me as an old, thick, pale racist.
I can understand that "racist" is an insult.
Could one of the resident Remainers explain to me why you feel that calling someone old, thick or white is an insult? Am I supposed to feel ashamed because of who I am?
Trabi601 said:
I just love the fact that his rant is making some really poor assumptions about me, what I do for a living, my ability to make a judgement based on 'business experience'.
Please, share me with what it is you do for a living? I would like to know how someone with such strong opinions on why we should stay in does, and what the reasons are you want to stay in, as I hve listened to your rants for the last couple of months and haven't really heard anything?
I bet it is one of the industries that benefit from the EU having total control like banking or finance.
Trabi601 said:
There's also a nice little rant about 'immigration', which, from all the figures published, appears to be untrue. (EU immigrants, in particular, are no cost to the nation, being net contributors)
It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
For a start, I said it was a 'non issue' other than trying to financially support it at the rate they were coming in. It's no wonder the country is on a slide to the bad old days where racial hatred, abusing people in the streets, has now become legitimised behaviour.
And to think it costs nothing is nonsense, even the strongest of 'remainers' agree it costs us billions, but a price worth paying for what it brings to our country.
Let's bring out the racial card shall we? That's all you 'remainers' seem to do.
Problem is it makes you look a bit silly and just makes you look like you are trying to scare people into not saying anything.
I have nothing against anyone based on their religion, skin colour or where they are from, I make my decisions based on whether they are a t
t or not and how open they are to accepting others views.///ajd said:
Indeed. You can clearly see here how some are not shy to be associated with it either.
With what exactly?Keep throwing around the insults. Are you not the one who is actually being the abuser?
Edited by gizlaroc on Sunday 3rd July 17:17
I work for an oil company. The retail end of the business. Post referendum, we saw value wiped off a barrel of Brent Crude - usually good for consumers - but a fall in the value of sterling more than cancelled it out. That's a double whammy that directly impacts the business profitability.
We struggle to meet demand with UK refined product - what are the trade deals going to be on EU imports of refined fuels?
My company operates EU wide, and whilst we have always had dual offices, I do wonder what the future holds if trade deals aren't favourable. There's an increasingly shrinking presence of departments in the UK, with an exit, and the potential loss of free movement of labour, maybe the UK office will be scaled down to a very small operation to satisfy listing on the LSE. I'm not an expert, but these things worry me.
Additionally, the retail business is largely kept afloat by immigrant labour - lots of EU workers (mainly Poles and ex-Soviet states) - as well as the Sri Lankan station owners.
We are entering an unknown, those idiots saying to issue ultimatums to the EU 'we'll put 10% on German cars at midnight' don't appear to understand how carefully balanced the whole economy is. If we do that, we get into a tit-for-tat war of import taxes, and the EU is much stronger than our little, rather insignificant island.
The City is already making noises about having to move operations if we lose passporting.
Remind me - what exactly are the benefits of an exit? - and I care little for the argument over 'un-elected commissioners', or any of the procedural / law making arguments, as they are largely moot. I want cold, hard facts that we can get better trade deals outside of the EU - and not a single person has so far been able to guarantee that. Hence my vote to remain.
We struggle to meet demand with UK refined product - what are the trade deals going to be on EU imports of refined fuels?
My company operates EU wide, and whilst we have always had dual offices, I do wonder what the future holds if trade deals aren't favourable. There's an increasingly shrinking presence of departments in the UK, with an exit, and the potential loss of free movement of labour, maybe the UK office will be scaled down to a very small operation to satisfy listing on the LSE. I'm not an expert, but these things worry me.
Additionally, the retail business is largely kept afloat by immigrant labour - lots of EU workers (mainly Poles and ex-Soviet states) - as well as the Sri Lankan station owners.
We are entering an unknown, those idiots saying to issue ultimatums to the EU 'we'll put 10% on German cars at midnight' don't appear to understand how carefully balanced the whole economy is. If we do that, we get into a tit-for-tat war of import taxes, and the EU is much stronger than our little, rather insignificant island.
The City is already making noises about having to move operations if we lose passporting.
Remind me - what exactly are the benefits of an exit? - and I care little for the argument over 'un-elected commissioners', or any of the procedural / law making arguments, as they are largely moot. I want cold, hard facts that we can get better trade deals outside of the EU - and not a single person has so far been able to guarantee that. Hence my vote to remain.
Trabi601 said:
Remind me - what exactly are the benefits of an exit? - and I care little for the argument over 'un-elected commissioners', or any of the procedural / law making arguments, as they are largely moot. I want cold, hard facts that we can get better trade deals outside of the EU - and not a single person has so far been able to guarantee that. Hence my vote to remain.
The EU won't allow us to get deals while we're in. Any deal we get after exit is better than no deal while we're in.HTH.
Trabi601 said:
I work for an oil company. The retail end of the business. Post referendum, we saw value wiped off a barrel of Brent Crude - usually good for consumers - but a fall in the value of sterling more than cancelled it out. That's a double whammy that directly impacts the business profitability.
We struggle to meet demand with UK refined product - what are the trade deals going to be on EU imports of refined fuels?
What impact has the EU had on the cost of oil through its various climate change policies?We struggle to meet demand with UK refined product - what are the trade deals going to be on EU imports of refined fuels?
Trabi601 said:
My company operates EU wide, and whilst we have always had dual offices, I do wonder what the future holds if trade deals aren't favourable. There's an increasingly shrinking presence of departments in the UK, with an exit, and the potential loss of free movement of labour, maybe the UK office will be scaled down to a very small operation to satisfy listing on the LSE. I'm not an expert, but these things worry me.
Additionally, the retail business is largely kept afloat by immigrant labour - lots of EU workers (mainly Poles and ex-Soviet states) - as well as the Sri Lankan station owners.
Which part of Brexit suggest that you could not continue to use immigrant Labour to support the business?Additionally, the retail business is largely kept afloat by immigrant labour - lots of EU workers (mainly Poles and ex-Soviet states) - as well as the Sri Lankan station owners.
Trabi601 said:
We are entering an unknown, those idiots saying to issue ultimatums to the EU 'we'll put 10% on German cars at midnight' don't appear to understand how carefully balanced the whole economy is. If we do that, we get into a tit-for-tat war of import taxes, and the EU is much stronger than our little, rather insignificant island.
You don't appear to understand who is proposing implementing taxes on who (or why)!Trabi601 said:
The City is already making noises about having to move operations if we lose passporting.
Remind me - what exactly are the benefits of an exit? - and I care little for the argument over 'un-elected commissioners', or any of the procedural / law making arguments, as they are largely moot. I want cold, hard facts that we can get better trade deals outside of the EU - and not a single person has so far been able to guarantee that. Hence my vote to remain.
Democracy is important to some people!Remind me - what exactly are the benefits of an exit? - and I care little for the argument over 'un-elected commissioners', or any of the procedural / law making arguments, as they are largely moot. I want cold, hard facts that we can get better trade deals outside of the EU - and not a single person has so far been able to guarantee that. Hence my vote to remain.
In your opinion, what is the benefit of the EU?
mybrainhurts said:
The EU won't allow us to get deals while we're in. Any deal we get after exit is better than no deal while we're in.
HTH.
Nicely avoiding the issue again.HTH.
What great deals are we going to make which will make things so much better? This needs to be answered before we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
HappyMidget said:
At least one remainder is starting to understand https://medium.com/@oliverhumpage/i-want-to-stop-s...
Wonderful, thank you. I've just posted that on Facebook with an instruction for my smug remain voting, labour voting working class heroes to read it. Trabi601 said:
Nicely avoiding the issue again.
Speaking of 'avoiding the issue', care to answer the questions I posed to you?Trabi601 said:
What great deals are we going to make which will make things so much better? This needs to be answered before we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
It remains to be seen. But the EU were adamant that there would be no negotiation with how the UK deals with the EU in future, so any (net) concessions we get will be an improvement on that.Trabi601 said:
mybrainhurts said:
The EU won't allow us to get deals while we're in. Any deal we get after exit is better than no deal while we're in.
HTH.
Nicely avoiding the issue again.HTH.
What great deals are we going to make which will make things so much better? This needs to be answered before we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
There is no answer to your question. If you can't see the potential benefits before someone answers your impossible question, you'll just have to sit in the corner and fret.
don4l said:
gizlaroc said:
Trabi601 said:
I was 1 year old.
Which suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
Listen you complete fWhich suggests I will have to live with the mess your generation has got us into for a long time after you're dead.
kwit, you create your own destiny, stop playing the blame game. I am fking sick and tired of hearing everyone blaming everyone else and it seems to come from our generation and younger. The generation you are moaning about transformed the world in which we live in from something that for most was pretty grim into close to what we have today.
You sound like a left wing 20 something that has just come out of Uni and think the world owes you a favour. I don't know what you do for a living but I bet you turn up, do a days work and take a wage, I bet you have no real understanding of what it actually takes and what it costs to run a business, whether that is a service company, manufacturing, retailing or run a country.
As much as I loved the notion of being part of the EU, it is f
ked. Some of the net contributors are in a debt trap FFS!
What are your suggestions to rectify that? Go on, tell me what you would suggest to try and stop it all going under?
Juncker and his merry men are trying to push towards an EU with more and more control and the fact that corrupt, power hungry drunk is in charge should have been enough in itself to make anyone want to leave. They know it is f
ked and they are simply trying to buy time for personal gain. All I have heard from numbnuts like yourself over the last week is how the older generation have ruined everything for you, it is all old people and uneducated knuckle draggers that have voted leave. Yet when you speak to them they all say the same thing "I like to be able to travel", "I like being European", "I like being multicultural." yet when you ask them about the debt trap most are in, or any of the things that really matter they all look at you with blank stares and say "Oh, I don't really care about the politics of it all"
Jesus wept!!
We have been multicultural for 70 years, we will still be able to travel and we will still be able to work in the EU you morons.
Immigration is an issues, 385,000 net immigration a year worldwide with roughly half coming from the EU costs us billions. To put it into perspective it is a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge. Which make it easier to understand the strain it is bringing us, we need to build a city the size of Oxford or Cambridge every year, that is roads, hospitals, doctors, police forces, fire services, councils etc. etc. Every single year!!!!
Oh, and we need to do it twice because we have even more coming from the rest of the world.
Depending whether they are remain or leave most tended to argue the net cost per year was between £11b and £17b. Whichever it is, it is bloody high and an expense we simply can't afford.
Now was it needed for the campaign? Not really, it is an issue we need to address but not sure if it was needed to be used as part of the leave campaign. I know more people who switched from Leave to Remain as they 'felt bad' that they were being classed as a racist, so I think it actually did more harm than good.
Look at where the EU is going...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192564.html
I think you should be more grateful that some of the ' unuducated older generation' have got you out of what would have been a pretty horrible EU going forward.
Have another
sidicks said:
It remains to be seen. But the EU were adamant that there would be no negotiation with how the UK deals with the EU in future, so any (net) concessions we get will be an improvement on that.
Oil price as a result of EU climate change policy. Very little impact. The terms of how we consume the fuel has a tiny impact on the trading moves on the billions of barrels traded daily. However, market uncertainty and volatility had an immediate impact on the price.As for immigrant labour - I see lots of arguments from Brexiters about points systems, stopping EU immigration, etc - that's what UKIP fight upon and what has captured a big chunk of the working class vote. How much unrest will there be if we exit, but the immigration policies don't change? - how many in the working classes will feel let down by the vote? - 'we voted for controlling immigration, but nothing has changed'.
Seems Brexit made up a load of promises that they thought people wanted to hear, without knowing if they can be delivered.
Mr. White said:
HappyMidget said:
At least one remainder is starting to understand https://medium.com/@oliverhumpage/i-want-to-stop-s...
Wonderful, thank you. I've just posted that on Facebook with an instruction for my smug remain voting, labour voting working class heroes to read it. “It’s very hard to fight NHS privatisation at home if the EU is constantly pushing for privatisation.”
What privatisation did EU 'constantly push' on NHS?
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