The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[turbobloke]

Cobnapint said:

Lib dem leader Tim Farron made himself look a right cock at the end of the Sunday Politics. He said he hoped the electorate would vote to stay in the EU.

Come again...?!

After Andrew Neil pointed the obvious out, he blustered on about having another Referendum on which the nation would vote whether to accept whatever deal is agreed with the EU, with an option to remain.

Isabel Oakshott just sat shaking her head.

Some people will still vote for Tim Who's party.

[FiF]

Asa Bennett in the DT is wittering about an idea that europhiles from Tories and Labour should breakaway, join up and form a new Europhile party, presumably to fight the next election. Be interesting to see what they come up with for a manifesto considering there were no positive messages in the Remain campaign. Frankly could see them getting trounced.

[Northern Munkee]

I think there's a belief in the chattering classes that there's a disenfranchised pro EU middle in the electorate as they believe Labour goes (unelectably) left under Corbyn, and the Tories go right under Leadsom (if the polling of Tory members is to be believed - although who believes anything polling companies put out anymore). There's also a large disconnected labour support in the regions up for grabs, I see Aaron Banks is looking to relaunch UKIP perhaps to target this demographic, perhaps renamed British (or UK) People's Party.

Trouble for the Labour MPs or wet Tory MPs is they would have forgo the Labour and Conservative Brand, infrastructure and significant % of auto-tribal voting for the name, this is why they'd rather infight for "the soul"'of their parties rather than strike out into a Democrats Party or coalition - even though observing the democracy of their respective members or that of the electorate in the referendum makes it somewhat ironic name.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th July 22:09

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th July 22:11

[Northern Munkee]

Northern Munkee said:

I think there's a belief in the chattering classes that there's a disenfranchised pro EU middle in the electorate as they believe Labour goes (unelectably) left under Corbyn, and the Tories go right under Leadsom (if the polling of Tory members is to be believed - although who believes anything polling companies put out anymore). There's also a large disconnected labour support in the regions up for grabs, I see Aaron Banks is looking to relaunch UKIP perhaps to target this demographic, perhaps renamed British (or UK) People's Party.

Trouble for the Labour MPs or wet Tory MPs is they would have forgo the Labour and Conservative brands, infrastructure, funding and a significant % of auto-tribal voting for the names, this is why they'd rather infight for "the soul" of their parties rather than strike out into a Democrats Party or coalition - even though observing the democracy of their respective members or that of the electorate in the referendum makes it somewhat ironic name.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th July 22:09

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th July 22:11

[don4l]

Tim who?

[zygalski]

More telling than currency fluctuations will be to see where inflation, interest rates & unemployment stand in 2 years time in comparison to pre-vote levels.
I think most of you are missing the point tbh.

[turbobloke]

zygalski said:

More telling than currency fluctuations will be to see where inflation, interest rates & unemployment stand in 2 years time in comparison to pre-vote levels.
I think most of you are missing the point tbh.

If so, most of us are replying to a post that missed the point.

Why 2 years? Brexit may not be complete.

Why not 5 or 10 years? We've already had duff computer models pushing dreck out to around 15 years.

[Axionknight]

FiF said:

Asa Bennett in the DT is wittering about an idea that europhiles from Tories and Labour should breakaway, join up and form a new Europhile party, presumably to fight the next election. Be interesting to see what they come up with for a manifesto considering there were no positive messages in the Remain campaign. Frankly could see them getting trounced.

Vote for us, OR EVERYBODY DIES PENNILESS AND ALONE!

[turbobloke]

Axionknight said:

FiF said:

Asa Bennett in the DT is wittering about an idea that europhiles from Tories and Labour should breakaway, join up and form a new Europhile party, presumably to fight the next election. Be interesting to see what they come up with for a manifesto considering there were no positive messages in the Remain campaign. Frankly could see them getting trounced.

Vote for us, OR EVERYBODY DIES PENNILESS AND ALONE!

Sexless as well no doubt.

Vote for them to re-join something that may have collapsed or be teetering on the brink (still)? No thanks!

IMF says EU on brink of collapse and untenable

[turbobloke]

Another headline or two today:

"S Korea wants British free trade deal as UK ministers struggle to cope with demand"

"Merkel needs trade deal with UK or 750,000 German jobs could face axe"

"Merkel told to not be 'arrogant' and hold Brussels vote"

From the last link "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda'.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Sexless as well no doubt.

Vote for them to re-join something that may have collapsed or be teetering on the brink (still)? No thanks!

IMF says EU on brink of collapse and untenable

I thought the imf was almost always wrong and not to be trusted?

[turbobloke]

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

Sexless as well no doubt.

Vote for them to re-join something that may have collapsed or be teetering on the brink (still)? No thanks!

IMF says EU on brink of collapse and untenable

I thought the imf was almost always wrong and not to be trusted?

Good point, the EU may collapse sooner than if it was merely on the brink, if the IMF is wrong it could be past the brink. With many of the EZ economies in serious trouble, bank bailouts on the agenda in Italy, Deutsche Bank's Chief Economist calling for a wider €150bn bailout of European banks, and the next credit card payment due from Greece anytime now, who can say.

Meanwhile: "Osborne has travelled to New York in a bid to strengthen trade links between the US and UK after Brexit. The Chancellor will today urge some of America's biggest investors to 'stick with the UK' following last month's resounding vote to quit the EU. Mr Osborne told a US newspaper: 'We will continue to be a beacon for free trade, democracy and security, more open to that world than ever.' His message comes despite a series of doom-mongering claims about the economic impact of Brexit during the fraught referendum campaign.

[mph]

cookie118 said:

turbobloke said:

Sexless as well no doubt.

Vote for them to re-join something that may have collapsed or be teetering on the brink (still)? No thanks!

IMF says EU on brink of collapse and untenable

I thought the imf was almost always wrong and not to be trusted?

They're definitely not to be trusted and they're quite often wrong. Being wrong is bad enough, deliberately giving the wrong advice and taking the wrong actions is far more serious.

They're forecasting EU growth dropping from 1.7% to 1.6% as a result of Brexit, doesn't sound earth shattering to me given that they had forecast up to a 9% drop in UK GDP before the referendum.

The IMF have known the Eurozone is in big trouble for quite some time, they should do they've been contributing to it's problems. They've been playing it down for political reasons.

What the IMF is now doing is realising they've backed the wrong horse and doing a U turn.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

Another headline or two today:

"S Korea wants British free trade deal as UK ministers struggle to cope with demand"

"Merkel needs trade deal with UK or 750,000 German jobs could face axe"

"Merkel told to not be 'arrogant' and hold Brussels vote"

From the last link "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda'.

These three plus the IMF one - that's four headlines you've posted, all from the Daily Express.

You do realise (obviously not, silly me) that the Daily Express is a comic for old people, don't you?

[zygalski]

turbobloke said:

zygalski said:

More telling than currency fluctuations will be to see where inflation, interest rates & unemployment stand in 2 years time in comparison to pre-vote levels.
I think most of you are missing the point tbh.

If so, most of us are replying to a post that missed the point.

Why 2 years? Brexit may not be complete.

Why not 5 or 10 years? We've already had duff computer models pushing dreck out to around 15 years.

Well 2-5 years seems a much more reasonable timescale to judge the economic implications of Brexit over than currency & stock fluctuations from the past 3 or 4 weeks.

[Cobnapint]

Theresa May - Brexit means Brexit, and free movement cannot continue in the way it does now.

Hope you're right love.....

[Esseesse]

There's been so much flapping about Article 50 and will or will there not be free movement of people that I'm starting to lean towards the repeal the 1972 European Communities Act option and deal with 4% tariff/WTO. Less chance for any underhanded half-exit by untrustworthy politicians.

[Cobnapint]

So, a remainer will be our new PM....!

Leadsome has pulled out.

[Mr Whippy]

So a big dips and rises in stocks/shares, currency valuations etc, with lots of bank bailouts that were needed anyway, all because of 'brexit'

Roll on late 2016, when May may decide to start the EU leave process... more 'brexit' to serve as a distraction for more bailouts at everyones expense.

No doubt May may choose to slap peaceful dissenters with her new extremist laws by then too


May she suffer a short term as PM and in politics generally! She's probably the most scary Conservative facist crony going!

[With these feet]

Greg66 said:

turbobloke said:

Another headline or two today:

"S Korea wants British free trade deal as UK ministers struggle to cope with demand"

"Merkel needs trade deal with UK or 750,000 German jobs could face axe"

"Merkel told to not be 'arrogant' and hold Brussels vote"

From the last link "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda'.

These three plus the IMF one - that's four headlines you've posted, all from the Daily Express.

You do realise (obviously not, silly me) that the Daily Express is a comic for old people, don't you?

I think Turbobloke is justified in using any MSM that shows something positive, rather than the constant fking drone of doom and gloom. It at least shows there's possible dealings outside the EU, regardless of whether it fits with a remainers opinion.