Boris Johnson Inept
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Smollet said:
I wonder what car he drives that promoted him to join PH 
Alfa 159 and the Mrs Corsa for nipping around town.Mr GrimNasty said:
You do realise that the air is actually at historically clean levels?
The report was 'buried' because it was unimportant.
What is your source for it being historically clean? Sounds like bs to me. The report was 'buried' because it was unimportant.
How can you defend information being held from the public, especially when we payed for it? Be honest, if the EU had done something similar you'd be all over it like a rash, and rightly so.
Can someone tell me what Boris' legacy for London was? It's a fair question for someone who has eyes on being PM.
Jawknee, your man already won the Mayoral election.... you can stop now!
Guardian article said:
A spokeswoman for Johnson’s successor, Sadiq Khan, said the new mayor could not understand why the research had not been published when it was completed more than two-and-a-half years ago.
Khan’s spokeswoman said: “This shocking report reveals a snapshot of the true impact that our polluted air has on some of London’s most vulnerable communities. It is difficult to understand why the last mayoralty decided to cover it up and not fully release it in 2013 – they clearly didn’t want Londoners to know the dire state of pollution in the capital.
“The mayor is fully committed to cleaning up our air and protecting Londoners’ health and is shocked to learn that important scientific evidence like this have been locked and ignored at City Hall.”
The mayor now plans to officially publish the report.
Khan has been keen to politicise the issue of air quality in London. In the first week after his election he said Johnson had turned the city into a “laughing stock” on air pollution by being too slow to act on the issue, and said he would be expanding the size of the former mayor’s planned clean air zone to the north and south circular roads.
“This latest revelation is the worst of all,” said Simon Birkett, founder and director of Clean Air in London. “Sadiq Khan is coming to London’s rescue in the nick of time. We need a clean air revolution.”
Khan to the rescue? Well maybe, but given how much cleaner London is today compared to just 10 years ago it is to be hoped that Khan does indeed continue to make progress in that direction. NOx and particulates are mostly a diesel thing are they not? Until we can get to a point that diesels are no longer in use in the cities then it's not surprising that they cause problems Khan’s spokeswoman said: “This shocking report reveals a snapshot of the true impact that our polluted air has on some of London’s most vulnerable communities. It is difficult to understand why the last mayoralty decided to cover it up and not fully release it in 2013 – they clearly didn’t want Londoners to know the dire state of pollution in the capital.
“The mayor is fully committed to cleaning up our air and protecting Londoners’ health and is shocked to learn that important scientific evidence like this have been locked and ignored at City Hall.”
The mayor now plans to officially publish the report.
Khan has been keen to politicise the issue of air quality in London. In the first week after his election he said Johnson had turned the city into a “laughing stock” on air pollution by being too slow to act on the issue, and said he would be expanding the size of the former mayor’s planned clean air zone to the north and south circular roads.
“This latest revelation is the worst of all,” said Simon Birkett, founder and director of Clean Air in London. “Sadiq Khan is coming to London’s rescue in the nick of time. We need a clean air revolution.”
JawKnee said:
Smollet said:
I wonder what car he drives that promoted him to join PH
Alfa 159 and the Mrs Corsa for nipping around town.Mr GrimNasty said:
You do realise that the air is actually at historically clean levels?
The report was 'buried' because it was unimportant.
What is your source for it being historically clean? Sounds like bs to me. The report was 'buried' because it was unimportant.
How can you defend information being held from the public, especially when we payed for it? Be honest, if the EU had done something similar you'd be all over it like a rash, and rightly so.
Can someone tell me what Boris' legacy for London was? It's a fair question for someone who has eyes on being PM.
JawKnee said:
Really showing up how poor his legacy for London was and how seriously he took the whole thing. The bloke really doesn't give a toss and isn't a proper politician.
All these negative news stories about him can't be doing the leave campaign much good. How embarrassing.
http://gu.com/p/4j74t
There is more to come about Johnson's time in office, at least if Private Eye is correct.All these negative news stories about him can't be doing the leave campaign much good. How embarrassing.
http://gu.com/p/4j74t
I think you have highlighted the problem with the referendum. It has become a personality vote. I've been trying to work out which would be best for me and mine but if I lean towards leave, the fact that Johnson, Gove and Murdoch also favour leaving has me concerned. I know it is wrong, but I struggle to put it out of my mind. I can't help thinking that if I end up on the cusp, Johnson, Gove et al will push me to vote stay.
TEKNOPUG said:
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Jumping straight in, looks like we've got one of our banned members back...
JawKnee said:
Really showing up how poor his legacy for London was and how seriously he took the whole thing. The bloke really doesn't give a toss and isn't a proper politician.
All these negative news stories about him can't be doing the leave campaign much good. How embarrassing.
http://gu.com/p/4j74t
It's funny you bring up the subject of pollution - I've yet to see an image of Khan cycling to City Hall.All these negative news stories about him can't be doing the leave campaign much good. How embarrassing.
http://gu.com/p/4j74t
How does he get there in fact?
By tube? In which case he's ok with the fact that whilst not polluting London, he is in fact contributing to pollution in Yorkshire.
What a hypocrite.
Mentioning Adolf is inept because people will say you're a nazi. It doesn't make your a nazi, it makes you inept.
So let's look beyond that and examine what he was actually saying. He claimed that the last 2000 years of European history are dotted with Freudian attempts to return to Europe's childhood which was peace and prosperity within the Roman Empire.
Now it's worth noting that he said this in an interview. That gives him something of an excuse. As usual he is firing off ideas from the top of his head in an attempt to be provocative and interesting. Some would call it showing off. Problem is that most spontaneous original ideas turn out to be wrong when examined for more than three seconds. No one in their right mind in the 21st century looks back to the Roman Empire as some golden past ... particularly not if you're British or French who see themselves as having been invaded and oppressed. And most of Germany was never even inside the Roman Empire. I'd hazard a guess that Johnson extrapolated from the clear links that do exist between ancient warfare and more modern military leaders' wish to march in those ancient footprints. But the extrapolation fails completely if you bother to think about it. And trying to bolster the argument by invoking Freud. Boris, go stand in Pseud's corner.
So do we care that Boris fires off his mouth without pausing to reflect? It hands a lot of free ammunition to those who might be in opposition to him. That's going to make life a lot harder if he ever holds a serious office in which everything he days or does gets pored over by the Press and opposition politicians. Not sure I'd want him championing any policy I thought was important.
So let's look beyond that and examine what he was actually saying. He claimed that the last 2000 years of European history are dotted with Freudian attempts to return to Europe's childhood which was peace and prosperity within the Roman Empire.
Now it's worth noting that he said this in an interview. That gives him something of an excuse. As usual he is firing off ideas from the top of his head in an attempt to be provocative and interesting. Some would call it showing off. Problem is that most spontaneous original ideas turn out to be wrong when examined for more than three seconds. No one in their right mind in the 21st century looks back to the Roman Empire as some golden past ... particularly not if you're British or French who see themselves as having been invaded and oppressed. And most of Germany was never even inside the Roman Empire. I'd hazard a guess that Johnson extrapolated from the clear links that do exist between ancient warfare and more modern military leaders' wish to march in those ancient footprints. But the extrapolation fails completely if you bother to think about it. And trying to bolster the argument by invoking Freud. Boris, go stand in Pseud's corner.
So do we care that Boris fires off his mouth without pausing to reflect? It hands a lot of free ammunition to those who might be in opposition to him. That's going to make life a lot harder if he ever holds a serious office in which everything he days or does gets pored over by the Press and opposition politicians. Not sure I'd want him championing any policy I thought was important.
"In half of the most deprived 10% of areas of London the air was in breach of EU limits on NO2, compared with 1% of in the richest 10% of areas."
I'd say the reason the report was buried (ignored more like) is because it's bollux. Have the idiots that wrote the report never heard of prevailing winds or ever wondered why in most post industrial towns in England the "posh" areas are on the West side of town? No. Of course it must Boris' fault.
I'd say the reason the report was buried (ignored more like) is because it's bollux. Have the idiots that wrote the report never heard of prevailing winds or ever wondered why in most post industrial towns in England the "posh" areas are on the West side of town? No. Of course it must Boris' fault.
JawKnee said:
What is your source for it being historically clean? Sounds like bs to me.
If only there was some tool that could be used to find this information out, eh? Some sort of... connected... web?... that puts endless information at your fingertips? Nah, a tool like that would only be squandered by idiots to post ignorant comments on it's intermehwebs. 
Derek Smith said:
There is more to come about Johnson's time in office, at least if Private Eye is correct.
I think you have highlighted the problem with the referendum. It has become a personality vote. I've been trying to work out which would be best for me and mine but if I lean towards leave, the fact that Johnson, Gove and Murdoch also favour leaving has me concerned. I know it is wrong, but I struggle to put it out of my mind. I can't help thinking that if I end up on the cusp, Johnson, Gove et al will push me to vote stay.
Blair, Cameron and Corbyn want us to stay though....The only solution I can see is to spoil my vote if I'm voting on personalities.I think you have highlighted the problem with the referendum. It has become a personality vote. I've been trying to work out which would be best for me and mine but if I lean towards leave, the fact that Johnson, Gove and Murdoch also favour leaving has me concerned. I know it is wrong, but I struggle to put it out of my mind. I can't help thinking that if I end up on the cusp, Johnson, Gove et al will push me to vote stay.
Oakey said:
JawKnee said:
What is your source for it being historically clean? Sounds like bs to me.
If only there was some tool that could be used to find this information out, eh? Some sort of... connected... web?... that puts endless information at your fingertips? Nah, a tool like that would only be squandered by idiots to post ignorant comments on it's intermehwebs. 
JK ought to have a read of Lomborg's book...London air cleaner now than for the last 400 years, and that's with all the filthy diesel engines pootling around.
Meanwhile air in the average UK/US building is on average ten times more polluted than outdoor urban air (BRE/EPA).
mcdjl said:
Blair, Cameron and Corbyn want us to stay though....The only solution I can see is to spoil my vote if I'm voting on personalities.
I thought Corbyn was still considering. Must keep up.Cameron is a bad PM. He is not ambitious and indeed is leaving his post soon so has no axe to grind.
Blair . . . almost negates Johnson, Gove and Murdoch.
mcdjl said:
Derek Smith said:
There is more to come about Johnson's time in office, at least if Private Eye is correct.
I think you have highlighted the problem with the referendum. It has become a personality vote. I've been trying to work out which would be best for me and mine but if I lean towards leave, the fact that Johnson, Gove and Murdoch also favour leaving has me concerned. I know it is wrong, but I struggle to put it out of my mind. I can't help thinking that if I end up on the cusp, Johnson, Gove et al will push me to vote stay.
Blair, Cameron and Corbyn want us to stay though....The only solution I can see is to spoil my vote if I'm voting on personalities.I think you have highlighted the problem with the referendum. It has become a personality vote. I've been trying to work out which would be best for me and mine but if I lean towards leave, the fact that Johnson, Gove and Murdoch also favour leaving has me concerned. I know it is wrong, but I struggle to put it out of my mind. I can't help thinking that if I end up on the cusp, Johnson, Gove et al will push me to vote stay.
Are some people (not aimed at you personally) so out of it that they're clueless and look for heroes to follow, even though such people are fallible and their view may well be wrong-minded...madness.
If Gove likes apple pie does that mean his "hate fan club" dislike it on principle?
HarryW said:
Bring on the clowns said:
FiF said:
Another pointless thread from shill central imo.
Spot the spot on!I suggest you change a few other recent thread titles as well if you insist on shutting down posters' freedom of expression.
That's a good idea. Though to add a thread entitled "Is [insert poster name] a shill? Discuss" with a link to their posting record might not be too good a use of bandwidth.
Of course they could deny it, instead of protesting too much.
Not stop other people forming their own judgement and disregarding input accordingly or not, which is what I do generally.
Of course they could deny it, instead of protesting too much.
Not stop other people forming their own judgement and disregarding input accordingly or not, which is what I do generally.
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