Boris Johnson Inept
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Escort3500 said:
Er, the ‘wealthy’ don’t just comprise ‘large and small business owners’, but then that wouldn’t fit your argument.
Oh dear indeed.
‘Don’t just’ means yes they are included. Has it ever occurred to you who generates GDP in the UK and who pays you? (Assuming it’s not a benefits cheque as tbh your argument would fit well with that)Oh dear indeed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221
V6 Pushfit said:
p1stonhead said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Escort3500 said:
Er, the ‘wealthy’ don’t just comprise ‘large and small business owners’, but then that wouldn’t fit your argument.
Oh dear indeed.
‘Don’t just’ means yes they are included. Has it ever occurred to you who generates GDP in the UK and who pays you? (Assuming it’s not a benefits cheque as tbh your argument would fit well with that)Oh dear indeed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221
p1stonhead said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Boris is risking giving the keys to no10 to Labour? Yet according to poll he's currently miles in front and that'll continue to increase if Brexit on 31st October is blocked.
Theresa May thought the same I’m sure. desolate said:
p1stonhead said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Boris is risking giving the keys to no10 to Labour? Yet according to poll he's currently miles in front and that'll continue to increase if Brexit on 31st October is blocked.
Theresa May thought the same I’m sure. It looks extremely unlikely that any election will happen prior to 31st so it all comes down to what Boris does.
If he leaves no deal anyway somehow TBP are dead anyway. Then he will romp to victory.
If he hasn’t left, he will lose a lot of support to TBP and will split. He may even lose on that basis if Corbyn forms some sort of coalition.
desolate said:
p1stonhead said:
Oh definitely. But will TBP stand aside? Doubt very much.
I doubt it - they have said they will if Johnson goes for a No Deal.Would be typical of the whole thing for them to split the vote between them and for us to end up in the same situation.
Thorodin said:
This stupid 'crash out' business. What crash? It is entirely voluntary, intended, praiseworthy, admirable and courageous. Nothing about it is accidental or unintended.
All this talk about language used in the HoC, but this is just a matter of the remainers getting agitated by the approaching leave deadline, and beginning to get hysterical about it, such that they will fix on anything they believe will help their case against Brexit.Edited by Thorodin on Friday 27th September 17:01
For years they and the media have been using the words `crashing out' to describe the process of leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, it is not crashing out. A `crash' occurs when two things hit each other, not when they are moving apart. so it is entirely inappropriate.
As for cliff edge, no one has ever seen the particular cliff edge they are referring to, that is just their opinion, so again inappropriate language, to describe the negotiations that will have to take place in the future.
Even sky news has the words Brexit Crises on its tv channel introductory logo, instead of the more accurate descriptor of Brexit Negotiations. It has only been turned into a crises by those who did not have the basic decency to democratically respect the result of the only vote the people of the UK have ever been given on the matter of the UK`s membership of the EU.
As usual the remainer double standards, where they believe they can use whatever provocative language they like, when referring to Brexit, but when they get some of their own style of language thrown back at them, they don't like it.
Pan Pan Pan said:
All this talk about language used in the HoC, but this is just a matter of the remainers getting agitated by the approaching leave deadline, and beginning to get hysterical about it, such that they will fix on anything they believe will help their case against Brexit.
For years they and the media have been using the words `crashing out' to describe the process of leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, it is not crashing out. A `crash' occurs when two things hit each other, not when they are moving apart. so it is entirely inappropriate.
As for cliff edge, no one has ever seen the particular cliff edge they are referring to, that is just their opinion, so again inappropriate language, to describe the negotiations that will have to take place in the future.
Even sky news has the words Brexit Crises on its tv channel introductory logo, instead of the more accurate descriptor of Brexit Negotiations. It has only been turned into a crises by those who did not have the basic decency to democratically respect the result of the only vote the people of the UK have ever been given on the matter of the UK`s membership of the EU.
As usual the remainer double standards, where they believe they can use whatever provocative language they like, when referring to Brexit, but when they get some of their own style of language thrown back at them, they don't like it.
Couldn't agree more. Not only the language. The context and inappropriate slagging off of anything Leave together with the attribution of ignorance, obesity and lack of mental acuity to describe a mass movement is offensive and redolent of so much history of oppression. Even if and when it happens, the ceding of membership will and has created huge friction that will last a generation and beyond. Any damage the act of leaving may or may not bring about fades into insignificance in comparison with the damage wilfully caused to our political system. The new longest suicide note. Worst of all, they claim patriotism. Ugh. For years they and the media have been using the words `crashing out' to describe the process of leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU, it is not crashing out. A `crash' occurs when two things hit each other, not when they are moving apart. so it is entirely inappropriate.
As for cliff edge, no one has ever seen the particular cliff edge they are referring to, that is just their opinion, so again inappropriate language, to describe the negotiations that will have to take place in the future.
Even sky news has the words Brexit Crises on its tv channel introductory logo, instead of the more accurate descriptor of Brexit Negotiations. It has only been turned into a crises by those who did not have the basic decency to democratically respect the result of the only vote the people of the UK have ever been given on the matter of the UK`s membership of the EU.
As usual the remainer double standards, where they believe they can use whatever provocative language they like, when referring to Brexit, but when they get some of their own style of language thrown back at them, they don't like it.
Thorodin said:
Couldn't agree more. Not only the language. The context and inappropriate slagging off of anything Leave together with the attribution of ignorance, obesity and lack of mental acuity to describe a mass movement is offensive and redolent of so much history of oppression. Even if and when it happens, the ceding of membership will and has created huge friction that will last a generation and beyond. Any damage the act of leaving may or may not bring about fades into insignificance in comparison with the damage wilfully caused to our political system. The new longest suicide note. Worst of all, they claim patriotism. Ugh.
I think you're seeing that broadly because it's "your side" so to speak. The leave side has been equally happy to throw around labels such as traitors, enemies of the people, etc. Even pro-leave MP's are now in the same camp because they oppose leaving without a deal. And the "all leavers are thick" card is used by leavers and remainers alike to shut down conversation and debate.The ERG are seemingly doing to the Tories what Momentum are doing with labour.
Our media thrives on division and smashing polar extremes together in order to get views. If there's no crisis then we'll maybe watch the news at ten. If s
t's going down we'll listen to the news, watch it on our phones & stay glued to our sets.I still maintain that most people are fairly normal and various shades of centrist, but brexit and poor opposition have allowed chest thumpers on all side a disproportionate amount of airtime.
Agree with that.
There is an obvious strategy to it from the government though.
What I don't get is why the opposition have reacted to it all to such an extreme extent.
The stuff being whipped up by BoJo and Cummings is pretty much hot air. They have forgotten that they are the ones holding all the keys at the moment, for many they just need to ride out the next 3 week's until the Ben act comes into force and make sure the act is watertight in what it intends to deliver.
There is an obvious strategy to it from the government though.
What I don't get is why the opposition have reacted to it all to such an extreme extent.
The stuff being whipped up by BoJo and Cummings is pretty much hot air. They have forgotten that they are the ones holding all the keys at the moment, for many they just need to ride out the next 3 week's until the Ben act comes into force and make sure the act is watertight in what it intends to deliver.
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