Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

[stuckmojo]

The Crack Fox said:

At the risk of sounding selfish - I'm at the point where I don't want to fly any more. I fly at least one a week, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week, and have done so for over a decade. It's horrible anyway. I passed through Glasgow days before that nutter drove his car into the doors on fire, I was at Brussells a few days before the recent bomb, I often pass through CDG. I am really, really sick of the stress.

Thoughts are with the families and friends of the poor people on board.

Same here.

100+ flights per year in/from the Middle East. I hate it. Every time.

Rationally I hear all the arguments, and still I hate the whole thing. Events like these don't help one bit.

[Trevatanus]

I am not saying that this is in any way related, but is it common to have THREE sky marshalls on board?

[s3fella]

Colleague at CDG just texted to say security alert now at Paris where the relatives are gathering..?

WTF?

[Trevatanus]

Whatever happened, was sudden:

"Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control. The crew did not report any problems up to hand off."

(source : Aviation Herald)

[andy_s]

dazwalsh said:

I normally despise the "experts" commentating on the news channels but there was an ex BA pilot on sky news this morning who rubbished some of the speculation and frankly ridiculous questions from the news presenters. He actually knew what he was talking about too which makes a change.

Yeah, he won't be used again then...

[Pennyroyal Tea]

dazwalsh said:

I normally despise the "experts" commentating on the news channels but there was an ex BA pilot on sky news this morning who rubbished some of the speculation and frankly ridiculous questions from the news presenters. He actually knew what he was talking about too which makes a change.

Pfft, what does he know?

[Nardies]

dazwalsh said:

I normally despise the "experts" commentating on the news channels but there was an ex BA pilot on sky news this morning who rubbished some of the speculation and frankly ridiculous questions from the news presenters. He actually knew what he was talking about too which makes a change.

That was painful viewing, they were trying to corner him into saying it was a terrorist attack, but he wouldn't break.

[Thankyou4calling]

el romeral said:

I would imagine they will be looking into the backgrounds of several of the passengers, which includes:

1 Saudi
1 Iraqi
1 Algerian
1 Chadian
1 Kuwaiti
30 Egyptians
1 Belgian

At that height and 40 miles from the coast, is it within range of a ground to air missile?

Oh do shove off mate!

[KTF]

At the moment the thread title sums up the current status. Anything else is speculation.

Even the thread on pprune is pretty subdued at the moment which is unusual for them.

[Axionknight]

Nardies said:

That was painful viewing, they were trying to corner him into saying it was a terrorist attack, but he wouldn't break.

Sensible, unbiased and logical answers eh? They won't bother calling him again I'd imagine!

[Otispunkmeyer]

xjay1337 said:

The Crack Fox said:

At the risk of sounding selfish - I'm at the point where I don't want to fly any more. I fly at least one a week, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week, and have done so for over a decade. It's horrible anyway. I passed through Glasgow days before that nutter drove his car into the doors on fire, I was at Brussells a few days before the recent bomb, I often pass through CDG. I am really, really sick of the stress.

Thoughts are with the families and friends of the poor people on board.

Likewise!!

It was probably a bomb or terrorism.
It's so, so, so rare for a plane to break up in mid-air without a reason.
I haven't checked the plane type or the glide ratio but I would imagine most commercial airliners can quite happily glide 50 or so miles...(distance to the coast).

Fairly modern A320 think. Perhaps a decade old. Nothing out of the ordinary really.

[Challo]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Thankyou4calling said:

worsy said:

Unfortunately it's the default go to reason in this day and age.

It needn't be though.

I'm not advocating we go back to the time of waiting for the newspaper but it's simply crass and stupid to be talking about bombs and Egyptair technicians.

If you search the internet you'll find sites quoting anything and everything, does that make it right to cite them?

Really starting to detest the media these days. In the race to be the first and to always be seen to be covering something they'll regurgitate just about any old crap without even checking. And when so many do, totally BS can quickly become "truth".

Its not even limited to 24 hr rolling news. Many supposedly tech and science oriented outlets do exactly the same without even bothering to check facts or even do the basic sums that show most fantastical sounding products and break throughs are merely bogus snake oil stuff.

I mean many publications extolled the virtues of this Fontus self filling water bottle thing thats doing the rounds. So much so that the damn thing won design awards before anyones even seen an actual product. Yet no one sat down to do the simple Thermodynamic investigation which shows it to be almost complete hogwash. You'd need a solar panel the size of the ones you see on roof tops and you'd have to be in an environment of 40 degree heat and 100% humidity to get anything out of it at all.

And the re-breather that allows you to breath under water like a fish? Apparently that had micro-lithium batteries providing hours of underwater fun. No one even twigged why is he selling a cheap looking 3rd year design project when he could essentially sell the "micro-lithium" battery tech to the likes of samsung, LG, Tesla for a blank cheque?

rips my knitting. All of it.

Completely agree. Watched BBC Breakfast this morning, and even with limited information they dragged on 3 experts who just repeated the same information and just made potential scenarios which doesn't mean anything.

[iantr]

Looks like we should expect the worst. Very sad.

Volcanic ash from recent Etna eruption?

http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/etna/news.html

[danllama]

Thankyou4calling said:

Oh do shove off mate!

He added something to the conversation. And you?

[AreOut]

"sudden catastrophic failure" sounds like what happened to Metrojet flight from Sharm el Sheik... I would be surprised if it was something else

[stuckmojo]

the press circling around distraught family members of plane crash victims represent the worst of humanity. It's sickening.

[24lemons]

stuckmojo said:

the press circling around distraught family members of plane crash victims represent the worst of humanity. It's sickening.

Just posted a comment to that effect on the Daily Fail's article. It really is shameful.

[Axionknight]

stuckmojo said:

the press circling around distraught family members of plane crash victims represent the worst of humanity. It's sickening.

Vultures, no doubt about it.

[AreOut]

here is the video, although I doubt it's real...the trajectory doesn't remind of a plane falling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OA2KSOuiG8&fe...

[Smollet]

Axionknight said:

Nardies said:

That was painful viewing, they were trying to corner him into saying it was a terrorist attack, but he wouldn't break.

Sensible, unbiased and logical answers eh? They won't bother calling him again I'd imagine!

Yup. No need for this type of stuff. Get some idiot to sensationalise things