Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!
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aeropilot said:
It's not a question of not liking, it's a question of not trusting, especially if you have connections within the industry and are aware of shall we say, long standing issues in AF.
I used to work in the airfreight division of an airline (which is no longer in existence), which also had an aircraft leasing division.We were all working at Farnborough 2000 which was about the time the Air France Concorde was lost.
I remember a discussion over dinner one evening with the leasing guys, when they were saying that Air France were "not the best" when it came to maintenance, including a story on an Air France Concorde passing them one day with fuel p1ssing out of the bottom of the aircraft.
SilverSpur said:
Jimboka said:
There has been no news since this thread was raised. Just speculation.
Anyone that uses a PH thread for 'news' is a bit silly no?Its a place for discussion. Why do people think any different?
ks and throwing stones from the corner. Often it's a much better place to get accurate up to date information than SKY or BBC. Particularly when there's some disruption or lack of information. Perhaps you haven't come on here when there's been an ATC strike or snow delays at airports, the Iceland volcano etc.
Trevatanus said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I don't want to fly Qantas.
Don't want to be on their first fatal crash?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qantas_fatal...
Eric Mc said:
Trevatanus said:
FourWheelDrift said:
I don't want to fly Qantas.
Don't want to be on their first fatal crash?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qantas_fatal...
el stovey said:
SilverSpur said:
Jimboka said:
There has been no news since this thread was raised. Just speculation.
Anyone that uses a PH thread for 'news' is a bit silly no?Its a place for discussion. Why do people think any different?
ks and throwing stones from the corner. Often it's a much better place to get accurate up to date information than SKY or BBC. Particularly when there's some disruption or lack of information. Perhaps you haven't come on here when there's been an ATC strike or snow delays at airports, the Iceland volcano etc.
blumpkin said:
garyhun said:
As a layman, it is so disappointing to hear that the authorities from certain countries can be so protective and/or misleading with information when people have lost their lives.
Pretty despicable actually.
Welcome to the middle east. Pretty despicable actually.
el stovey said:
Plenty of crashes and fatal crashes. No fatal jet crashes apparently.
That is the correct stat - no fatal crashes since the introduction of their jet fleet. However, you do need to take into account that, right until the end of the 1980s, Qantas only flew long haul flights - with consequently a lower number of take offs and landings compared to more "normal" airlines.SilverSpur said:
Seen this reported on Sky but nowhere else....
weird
If it was a bomb that caused this explosion, where are the claims from the Jihadis? They aren't usually shy about this kind of thing.
I did read on BBC that only fragments of body parts had been found so far.weird
If it was a bomb that caused this explosion, where are the claims from the Jihadis? They aren't usually shy about this kind of thing.
Two points. I've seen the mess a body makes falling from around 200ft onto concrete. I imagine the mess from 30,000ft onto water is going to similarly, if not more so catastrophic.
Secondly, the marine environment is immensely destructive on organic matter. It is teaming with what we reefkeepers call "clean up crew" - crabs, urchins, worms and various other crustaceans of various sizes that all feast on organic detritus. I had a sick fish one morning in my tank, by the time I got home with some remedy for it, it was a nothing more than a carcass at the bottom of the tank, getting plucked apart by hermit crabs and bristle-worms.
I can imagine a large collection of small body parts would be devoured equally as quick in the sea.
On that cheery note, I'll leave the pilot/ATC experts to discuss the more technical aspects of the issues.
S11Steve said:
I did read on BBC that only fragments of body parts had been found so far.
Two points. I've seen the mess a body makes falling from around 200ft onto concrete. I imagine the mess from 30,000ft onto water is going to similarly, if not more so catastrophic.
Secondly, the marine environment is immensely destructive on organic matter. It is teaming with what we reefkeepers call "clean up crew" - crabs, urchins, worms and various other crustaceans of various sizes that all feast on organic detritus. I had a sick fish one morning in my tank, by the time I got home with some remedy for it, it was a nothing more than a carcass at the bottom of the tank, getting plucked apart by hermit crabs and bristle-worms.
I can imagine a large collection of small body parts would be devoured equally as quick in the sea.
On that cheery note, I'll leave the pilot/ATC experts to discuss the more technical aspects of the issues.
This isn't the first such incident, I'm sure there's some precedent for the type of body remains to be expected after a crash over water.Two points. I've seen the mess a body makes falling from around 200ft onto concrete. I imagine the mess from 30,000ft onto water is going to similarly, if not more so catastrophic.
Secondly, the marine environment is immensely destructive on organic matter. It is teaming with what we reefkeepers call "clean up crew" - crabs, urchins, worms and various other crustaceans of various sizes that all feast on organic detritus. I had a sick fish one morning in my tank, by the time I got home with some remedy for it, it was a nothing more than a carcass at the bottom of the tank, getting plucked apart by hermit crabs and bristle-worms.
I can imagine a large collection of small body parts would be devoured equally as quick in the sea.
On that cheery note, I'll leave the pilot/ATC experts to discuss the more technical aspects of the issues.
Assuming it was terrorist, there's no reason to rush to claim responsibility until the authorities decide it is a terrorist incident, all the conjecture and uncertainty suits the terrorist cause and any trails or clues to contacts or accomplices are getting colder all the time. Undoubtedly if it was a suicide terrorist, a martyrdom video has been left and will be produced in due course.
PositronicRay said:
benjj said:
Re: nobody claiming the attack (if indeed it was)
Presumably this could be the work of a single person and done 'in solidarity with' etc.
You'd have thought they'd leave a note or something though, otherwise what's the point. Presumably this could be the work of a single person and done 'in solidarity with' etc.
PositronicRay said:
benjj said:
Re: nobody claiming the attack (if indeed it was)
Presumably this could be the work of a single person and done 'in solidarity with' etc.
You'd have thought they'd leave a note or something though, otherwise what's the point. Presumably this could be the work of a single person and done 'in solidarity with' etc.
This would deprive the country of foreign currency, and income from tourism which in turn would increase unemployment. I would imagine they hope this then leads to serious dissatisfaction with the government.
In that context, you don't want the cause to be overt terrorism, as that gives the government an easy explanation. Better to leave it un-clear as it would still have the desired consequences.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Assuming it was terrorist, there's no reason to rush to claim responsibility until the authorities decide it is a terrorist incident, all the conjecture and uncertainty suits the terrorist cause and any trails or clues to contacts or accomplices are getting colder all the time. Undoubtedly if it was a suicide terrorist, a martyrdom video has been left and will be produced in due course.
This would make sense... although in the case of other terrorist acts, responsibility had been claimed minutes/hours after an attack.. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff