Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!
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From the BBC link above.
Signals emitted by the recorders are expected to expire by 24 June, experts have warned.
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The little evidence so far suggests a fire broke out in the front of the aircraft, so they will be keen to film and photograph that area. One experienced investigator who worked on the Lockerbie bombing told me bomb damage looks very different to fire damage.
Signals emitted by the recorders are expected to expire by 24 June, experts have warned.
and
The little evidence so far suggests a fire broke out in the front of the aircraft, so they will be keen to film and photograph that area. One experienced investigator who worked on the Lockerbie bombing told me bomb damage looks very different to fire damage.
slybynight said:
No s**t - a quick Google Earth certainly enlightened me! Who knew? Thought I'd have a look at a few others... Caspian sea looks like a big puddle!
It is a bit surprising for me that this area of the Med is deeper than most of the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic has some areas that are deeper, but the med is surprisingly deep given its overall size in comparison to the Atlantic. http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egyptair-airplane...
The Egyptians are saying the flight recorders are severely damaged and many take ages to fix.
You would have thought the construction of these things would have been robust enough to withstand either a small explosion or impact with the ground, let alone the sea. That's the whole point surely.
The Egyptians are saying the flight recorders are severely damaged and many take ages to fix.
You would have thought the construction of these things would have been robust enough to withstand either a small explosion or impact with the ground, let alone the sea. That's the whole point surely.
Cobnapint said:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egyptair-airplane...
The Egyptians are saying the flight recorders are severely damaged and many take ages to fix.
You would have thought the construction of these things would have been robust enough to withstand either a small explosion or impact with the ground, let alone the sea. That's the whole point surely.
They are designed to very high specs but impact at high speed with water is little different to high speed impact with the ground. The G forces involved can be absolutely enormous. Water just doesn't give like it does at lower speeds.The Egyptians are saying the flight recorders are severely damaged and many take ages to fix.
You would have thought the construction of these things would have been robust enough to withstand either a small explosion or impact with the ground, let alone the sea. That's the whole point surely.
The article doesn't say whether the memory module is damaged by impact or by water getting inside. They have been sitting in seawater at some depth for quite a long time now.
Fingers crossed the data can be recovered despite any damage
Table below is from one of Honeywells combined Voice/Data recorders but gives an example of the spec they have to comply with.
Edited by Blaster72 on Sunday 19th June 17:41
djc206 said:
Normally seconds. For example I work at London ATC and I transfer aircraft to Kapteinlangzaam at Maastricht control. I transmit "MSR780 contact Maastricht control frequency 132.205", the pilot dials those six numbers up and away they go chatting to Maastricht.
Edit: having just read El Stoveys response I should probably add that my example is from the civilised world with well maintained adequate equipment. I can only imagine the standard of Cairo ATC
Do you work 134.900Edit: having just read El Stoveys response I should probably add that my example is from the civilised world with well maintained adequate equipment. I can only imagine the standard of Cairo ATC
Edited by djc206 on Sunday 22 May 18:36
jammy_basturd said:
What state were the records in from the Air France flight?
AF447? The FDR - only the memory module was found, it had detached from it's chassis. The CVR was recovered complete although some components on the memory boards were damaged. All data was recovered from both.
It's worth noting though, although the impact with AF447 was at low speed (107kts), it was at a pitch up angle and a very high descent rate (10000ft+ per minute). The recorders sat in 5000M of water for around 2 years.
They did as they were designed to do and protected the data. The reported damage in this case may only be to a similar extent and there's nothing to say the data can't be recovered.
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