Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

[anonymous-user]

Puggit said:

gothatway said:

This may well have already been asked, but why is the data not transmitted in real-time via satellite to ground stations ? Bandwidth, availability of satellites ?

It was certainly covered to death in the MH370 thread. Not that I can remember the answer

Was it not a cost issue?

[poo at Paul's]

Anyone else a bit suspicious that once the Egyptians have their hands on things, if the data "doesn't suit", it may become "corrupted".?

All a bit chinny rec imho.

[MarkRSi]

poo at Paul's said:

Anyone else a bit suspicious that once the Egyptians have their hands on things, if the data "doesn't suit", it may become "corrupted".?

All a bit chinny rec imho.

If it is the Egyptians I can't say it fills me with confidence...

[MartG]

MarkRSi said:

poo at Paul's said:

Anyone else a bit suspicious that once the Egyptians have their hands on things, if the data "doesn't suit", it may become "corrupted".?

All a bit chinny rec imho.

If it is the Egyptians I can't say it fills me with confidence...

Does Egypt have the facilities required for handling the recorders ?

[Cobnapint]

MartG said:

Does Egypt have the facilities required for handling the recorders ?

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

[Puggit]

Cobnapint said:

MartG said:

Does Egypt have the facilities required for handling the recorders ?

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

But it's an Airbus plane, not a Boeing.

[djc206]

Xpuffin said:

Do you work 134.900

I do amongst others

[Blaster72]

Cobnapint said:

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

No they shouldnt.

[Cobnapint]

Blaster72 said:

Cobnapint said:

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

No they shouldnt.

You trust the Egyptian authorities to conduct an unbiased investigation...?

OK, you'll probably come back with why trust the yanks, so OK the Dutch then, the French, British. Anybody but the Egyptians.

[Blaster72]

Cobnapint said:

Blaster72 said:

Cobnapint said:

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

No they shouldnt.

You trust the Egyptian authorities to conduct an unbiased investigation...?

OK, you'll probably come back with why trust the yanks, so OK the Dutch then, the French, British. Anybody but the Egyptians.

Er, no why get the Americans involved in an accident with an Airbus aircraft on an Egyptian registered aircraft flying between France and Egypt?

Doesn't make any sense at all. The BEA will get involved and have proven themselves very capable time and time again.

How about a British made aircraft crashing in the UK? Let the Americans take the flight recorders and tell us what they think?

I don't understand why you would want it

[Cobnapint]

Blaster72 said:

Cobnapint said:

Blaster72 said:

Cobnapint said:

They'll probably deny having them tomorrow.

The yanks should be given all FDRs for investigation, with international observers present.

No they shouldnt.

You trust the Egyptian authorities to conduct an unbiased investigation...?

OK, you'll probably come back with why trust the yanks, so OK the Dutch then, the French, British. Anybody but the Egyptians.

Er, no why get the Americans involved in an accident with an Airbus aircraft on an Egyptian registered aircraft flying between France and Egypt?

Doesn't make any sense at all. The BEA will get involved and have proven themselves very capable time and time again.

How about a British made aircraft crashing in the UK? Let the Americans take the flight recorders and tell us what they think?

I don't understand why you would want it

Two reasons - trust and technical expertise.

I'm reassured that the BEA are leading though, didn't know that.

[Starfighter]

Depending on the model and date of manufacture, it is possible that the FDR and CVR were made in the UK.

[Jader1973]

garyhun said:

Puggit said:

gothatway said:

This may well have already been asked, but why is the data not transmitted in real-time via satellite to ground stations ? Bandwidth, availability of satellites ?

It was certainly covered to death in the MH370 thread. Not that I can remember the answer

Was it not a cost issue?

From memory reading between the lines it was more of a "How dare someone who isn't involved in the industry suggest a sensible solution. You just don't understand." issue.

[Blaster72]

Cobnapint said:

Two reasons - trust and technical expertise.

I'm reassured that the BEA are leading though, didn't know that.

I didn't say leading, I said they'd be involved.

I do understand why you might not trust the results of an Egyptian investigation but unless I misunderstood I thought you were suggesting the Americans should investigate every Air Accident. Apologies if I misunderstood you.

Let's hope the data is recovered and at least some preliminary investigation is complete without it dragging on too long. Must be very hard for the families not knowing.

[anonymous-user]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/27/egyp...

'while French prosecutors say no evidence so far of terrorism'

so a fault then?

[Munter]

The Spruce goose said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/27/egyp...

'while French prosecutors say no evidence so far of terrorism'

so a fault then?

Nope. Just "no evidence". People like to jump on those two words and abuse them to mean "is not". Where as what it means is "we have no information on that". Which is hardly a surprise given the story is these four words stretched out as far as possible: "the data is safe". That's all. We don't know what the data shows.

[CAPP0]

French Prosecutor Spokesperson said:

authorities were not favouring the theory that the plane had been brought down deliberately

I guess if it's proven to be a fault, the ramifications for the air industry could be massive, with the A320 being one of the mainstays of short-haul? Could also spill over to the 319/321? If that range was grounded it would bring short-haul flights to a virtual stop surely?

[Puggit]

CAPP0 said:

French Prosecutor Spokesperson said:

authorities were not favouring the theory that the plane had been brought down deliberately

I guess if it's proven to be a fault, the ramifications for the air industry could be massive, with the A320 being one of the mainstays of short-haul? Could also spill over to the 319/321? If that range was grounded it would bring short-haul flights to a virtual stop surely?

If there was an issue with the A320, with the sheer volume of flights you mention, it would have manifested itself by now. Could just as easily be sloppy maintenance.

[MartG]

Puggit said:

CAPP0 said:

French Prosecutor Spokesperson said:

authorities were not favouring the theory that the plane had been brought down deliberately

I guess if it's proven to be a fault, the ramifications for the air industry could be massive, with the A320 being one of the mainstays of short-haul? Could also spill over to the 319/321? If that range was grounded it would bring short-haul flights to a virtual stop surely?

If there was an issue with the A320, with the sheer volume of flights you mention, it would have manifested itself by now. Could just as easily be sloppy maintenance.

Much more likely to be poor maintenance than a design fault given the number of A320s flying and not falling out of the sky

[xjay1337]

Puggit said:

If there was an issue with the A320, with the sheer volume of flights you mention, it would have manifested itself by now. Could just as easily be sloppy maintenance.

Was there not a previous accident by an Egypt Airline flight which had an electrical fire?