Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

[Dan_1981]

If we're speculating wildly..... a wing falling off?

[hidetheelephants]

CAPP0 said:

Trevatanus said:

can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".

Loss of control surfaces due to violent disruption of the airframe.

What he said. Finding and retrieving won't be much fun, it's over 3000m deep around there.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

hidetheelephants said:

CAPP0 said:

Trevatanus said:

can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".

Loss of control surfaces due to violent disruption of the airframe.

What he said. Finding and retrieving won't be much fun, it's over 3000m deep around there.

How would it stabilise at 15,000ft after the swerving movements?

[Lefty]

The flightradar24 plot seems to show it vanishing at 35000 feet, not a sharp descent, just disappears

[menguin]

Lefty said:

The flightradar24 plot seems to show it vanishing at 35000 feet, not a sharp descent, just disappears

Flight radar only have data on the transponder signal though - it isn't that the plane disappeared, rather it just stopped broadcasting its signal. If there was anyone using active radar we would have a more complete picture of what actually happened to the plane.

[Lefty]

Yeah but wouldn't the transponder keep broadcasting unless there was a sudden loss of power supply or it was turned off?

[menguin]

Yes it should do - unless it was turned off.

[MartG]

menguin said:

Yes it should do - unless it was turned off.

Or the aircraft broke up

[Viperzs]

MartG said:

Or the aircraft broke up

Or the battery ran out

[anonymous-user]

Or 1000001 other reasons.
Maybe someone will guess before the actual facts come out after 50 pages of nonsense..

[SilverSpur]

Eygpt bloke said:

HA Hellyer ?. ??? ??@hahellyer


Questions are being asked about #Egypt's security procedures in relation to #MS804:but it was France's responsibility to secure the plane...

I don't agree. If the plane is serviced in Egypt on the previous turn around, any device could have been planted and remained undetected whilst aircraft is on the ground in Paris and been timed to explode on the return leg.


I don't believe the Russian jet bomb was in a passenger compartment, was it?

[danllama]

Wouldn't a terrorist organisation have claimed it by now?

BBC are saying sharp turns and plunged. That sounds like someone has interfered in the cockpit.

[Munter]

danllama said:

Wouldn't a terrorist organisation have claimed it by now?

BBC are saying sharp turns and plunged. That sounds like someone has interfered in the cockpit.

Or an important bit fell off. Or a bomb. Or the computer got confused. Or the data is wrong.

[s p a c e m a n]

Derek Smith said:

s p a c e m a n said:

Curious as to if it were something on board why would they wait until 3 hours into the flight?

Over water? That was the intent of PanAm 103. The reason it crashed at Lockerbie was due to a delay on the tarmac. There would be limited chances of obtaining evidence.

That's in line with my thought process though. A burning wreck spread out on a populated European area would cause more terror than one that hit the sea near Egypt and why would they be bothered by evidence if they stick their arm in the air and claim responsibility. Although no one has stuck their hand up yet have they?

[danllama]

Munter said:

Or an important bit fell off. Or a bomb. Or the computer got confused. Or the data is wrong.

Sure, all plausible. No need to quote me to float ideas though, is there?

[Eric Mc]

Remember this Egyptair incident?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

[Justices]

Never mind all the theories, the passengers and crew are always overlooked by the media unless they are finger pointing before any facts are confirmed. A night flight, 37,000ft over the ocean, what on earth can you do if things go wrong? I can't begin to imagine the feeling of helplessness they must have gone through.

RIP to all those who were lost.

[Petrus1983]

CAPP0 said:

Trevatanus said:

can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".

Loss of control surfaces due to violent disruption of the airframe.

Most likely - explosion causing serious disruption to the hydraulics, whilst the crew tried to get the plane under control it makes sense it would swerve whilst seeing what they had left to fly with - would also explain the 'slower' decent rather than a vertical drop. As for the avoiding SAM theory, absolutely no chance - they wouldn't even know it was approaching, let alone know what to do.

[SilverSpur]

Justices said:

Never mind all the theories, the passengers and crew are always overlooked by the media unless they are finger pointing before any facts are confirmed. A night flight, 37,000ft over the ocean, what on earth can you do if things go wrong? I can't begin to imagine the feeling of helplessness they must have gone through.

RIP to all those who were lost.

Agreed, you can only hope that they lost consciousness almost instantly.



Makes you shiver this type of thing.

[xjay1337]

It's why I am somewhat nervous about flying. Nothing like an unexpected and uncontrolled death in a small, fibreglass tube.
I hope the flight data recorders and other devices can be recovered.