Man killed by his dog
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rhinochopig said:
EnthusiastOwned said:
rhinochopig said:
See my second post. However, dogs are bred for their genetic traits. Staffies were never bred for the kind loving nature. They were bred as fighting dogs. You can tame a Lion but it will still be a lion. Go and watch Born Free and try and argue that a Lion is a sensible family pet.
It's why Labs want to carry things all the time, and bring you stinking things back, and collies like chasing things. Yes you can train a specific trait out / minimise it or make use of it, but it is still there. Staffies are not a sensible family pet, and their genetic traits are not useful in a pet.
Don't be ignorant or scaremonger.It's why Labs want to carry things all the time, and bring you stinking things back, and collies like chasing things. Yes you can train a specific trait out / minimise it or make use of it, but it is still there. Staffies are not a sensible family pet, and their genetic traits are not useful in a pet.
Staffies were bred to fight other dogs, not people. Any which attacked people were removed from the gene pool. They were commonly owned by the working class and lived in a small house with a big family, they are great family pets and the KC register agree with it.
Not that it matters as that was almost 200 years ago and the dog fighting trait is well on it's way of being bred out, by professional breeders anyway. You always see Staffy cross breed attacks and no one stops top think what was the cross, maybe that's the issue? Do your research and you'll find Dachshunds and Collies or more aggressive, they just lack the jaws.
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Monday 23 May 14:38
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Monday 23 May 14:41
And I'll take anything the KC takes with a pinch of salt thanks given the health state of a lot of modern 'pedigree' breeds.
boxxob said:
C0ffin D0dger said:
This sums it up for me, irrespective of whether they are normally good natured or not Bull Terriers (Staffordshire, Pit) have very strong jaws and muscles generally so can therefore inflict significantly more serious damage on whoever they're attacking. Means you've got less hope of fighting one off or controlling it if it has flipped.
To me they are not family pets and I wouldn't have one around my kids. There's no argument that dogs generally can be dangerous if mistreated and children shouldn't be left alone with them but a Chiwawa is less likely to do serious damage. Personally I like dogs but unfortunately don't have the circumstances at the moment to have one as a pet. If I did if would be a lab, retriever or something of a similar nature.
As for the original story, Darwinism at its best. Just a shame the dog had to die due to the d
head owner.
Are you saying that Mastiffs, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Ridgebacks, Malamute don't have strong jaws, muscles, and can't inflict serious damage on people and other animals? Border Collies, under that nice coat, can be bloody strong, and they are some of the most 'snappy' dogs I have encountered. Have you seen a well-bred and properly exercised Labrador - they can be pretty solid and intimidating. To me they are not family pets and I wouldn't have one around my kids. There's no argument that dogs generally can be dangerous if mistreated and children shouldn't be left alone with them but a Chiwawa is less likely to do serious damage. Personally I like dogs but unfortunately don't have the circumstances at the moment to have one as a pet. If I did if would be a lab, retriever or something of a similar nature.
As for the original story, Darwinism at its best. Just a shame the dog had to die due to the d
head owner. Family pets come in all shapes and sizes. To say that the Staffordshire does not make a good family pet is to ignore all evidence to the contrary. The vast majority love people, especially children, and they have an amazing tolerance for young children who may 'pull and poke'.
The Kennel Club said:
The Staffordshire is one of the most popular of all the terriers. With the human race, he is kindness itself, and his genuine love of children is well known. He is descended from a cross between the Bulldog and a terrier, and thus combines the temperaments of the two breeds.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/display.aspx?id=3080Edited by boxxob on Monday 23 May 15:02
MonkeyMatt said:
PorkInsider said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-36356...
I'm quite surprised by this.
Presumably the man was infirm/very old as I wouldn't have expected a small(ish) dog to be able to kill a grown man, unless it was a bloody huge animal.
Maybe I'm naïve...
Says he was 45 and it was a pitbull crossI'm quite surprised by this.
Presumably the man was infirm/very old as I wouldn't have expected a small(ish) dog to be able to kill a grown man, unless it was a bloody huge animal.
Maybe I'm naïve...
kentlad said:
It's down to the owner...not the dog in. Makes me sick to the teeth when a dog is blamed for biting someone. That behaviour is, 99% of the time, trained into the dog. ...
I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to bite him around the throat. I would have thought Dignitas would have been much easier and less painful...skyrover said:
Staffies are one of the few dogs recommended for families with children ...
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice 
We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
Murph7355 said:
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice
We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
The Kennel Club UK.We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
It's only the oldest recognised kennel club in the world. A governing body that operates as the national register for pedigree dogs. But hey, what do they know!?
boxxob said:
C0ffin D0dger said:
This sums it up for me, irrespective of whether they are normally good natured or not Bull Terriers (Staffordshire, Pit) have very strong jaws and muscles generally so can therefore inflict significantly more serious damage on whoever they're attacking. Means you've got less hope of fighting one off or controlling it if it has flipped.
To me they are not family pets and I wouldn't have one around my kids. There's no argument that dogs generally can be dangerous if mistreated and children shouldn't be left alone with them but a Chiwawa is less likely to do serious damage. Personally I like dogs but unfortunately don't have the circumstances at the moment to have one as a pet. If I did if would be a lab, retriever or something of a similar nature.
As for the original story, Darwinism at its best. Just a shame the dog had to die due to the dhead owner.
Are you saying that Mastiffs, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Ridgebacks, Malamute don't have strong jaws, muscles, and can't inflict serious damage on people and other animals? Border Collies, under that nice coat, can be bloody strong, and they are some of the most 'snappy' dogs I have encountered. Have you seen a well-bred and properly exercised Labrador - they can be pretty solid and intimidating. To me they are not family pets and I wouldn't have one around my kids. There's no argument that dogs generally can be dangerous if mistreated and children shouldn't be left alone with them but a Chiwawa is less likely to do serious damage. Personally I like dogs but unfortunately don't have the circumstances at the moment to have one as a pet. If I did if would be a lab, retriever or something of a similar nature.
As for the original story, Darwinism at its best. Just a shame the dog had to die due to the d
head owner. Family pets come in all shapes and sizes. To say that the Staffordshire does not make a good family pet is to ignore all evidence to the contrary. The vast majority love people, especially children, and they have an amazing tolerance for young children who may 'pull and poke'.
The Kennel Club said:
The Staffordshire is one of the most popular of all the terriers. With the human race, he is kindness itself, and his genuine love of children is well known. He is descended from a cross between the Bulldog and a terrier, and thus combines the temperaments of the two breeds.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/display.aspx?id=3080Edited by boxxob on Monday 23 May 15:02
EnthusiastOwned said:
The Kennel Club UK.
It's only the oldest recognised kennel club in the world. A governing body that operates as the national register for pedigree dogs. But hey, what do they know!?
I was being somewhat facetious about a dog being recommended...with respect to getting bitten in the home (around the throat or otherwise), I'd suggest "no dog" is the risk averse recommendation when you have little kids, no matter what the Kennel Club might say on the matter.It's only the oldest recognised kennel club in the world. A governing body that operates as the national register for pedigree dogs. But hey, what do they know!?
Once the dogs latched on - theres no getting it off short of killing it in many cases. The more you try and get the bugger off - the angrier it gets. If the dog bites and severs a large blood vessel then wont let go, coupled with the shock of the attack and maybe exhaustion trying to fight it off - its then a simple matter of bleeding to death. e
boxxob said:
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But, if we are talking about absolute rates of death and serious injury (and driving) in the UK, then people should be demanding that the age at which you can drive is at least 21....
Would get my vote.But, if we are talking about absolute rates of death and serious injury (and driving) in the UK, then people should be demanding that the age at which you can drive is at least 21....
boxxob said:
...Then we can move on to other things, such as baths, ponds/ paddling pools / pools, which, obviously, should be banned in houses with children. ..
Inert, inanimate objects. Very different ball game.boxxob said:
......Moving on with this 'Think of children'-style posture...
In the eyes of a dog lover this may be perceived to be a bad thing, but frankly I'd think of them every single time over the of a dog. I have kids now. But I'd have felt the same before I did.boxxob said:
.......we should have the balls to ban objects smaller than a tennis ball - to eliminate choking hazards....
You may have noticed that a lot of time and energy is spent to minimise these risks (no doubt at great cost).boxxob said:
...Finally, considering the rates of murder and abuse which occur to children at the hands of their own parents, the evidence is overwhelming: we should ban parents altogether!!!
Perhaps a bonafide use for a bull terrier here.
Murph7355 said:
kentlad said:
It's down to the owner...not the dog in. Makes me sick to the teeth when a dog is blamed for biting someone. That behaviour is, 99% of the time, trained into the dog. ...
I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to bite him around the throat. I would have thought Dignitas would have been much easier and less painful...skyrover said:
Staffies are one of the few dogs recommended for families with children ...
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
markh1973 said:
Murph7355 said:
kentlad said:
It's down to the owner...not the dog in. Makes me sick to the teeth when a dog is blamed for biting someone. That behaviour is, 99% of the time, trained into the dog. ...
I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to bite him around the throat. I would have thought Dignitas would have been much easier and less painful...skyrover said:
Staffies are one of the few dogs recommended for families with children ...
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
vanordinaire said:
markh1973 said:
Murph7355 said:
kentlad said:
It's down to the owner...not the dog in. Makes me sick to the teeth when a dog is blamed for biting someone. That behaviour is, 99% of the time, trained into the dog. ...
I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to bite him around the throat. I would have thought Dignitas would have been much easier and less painful...skyrover said:
Staffies are one of the few dogs recommended for families with children ...
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
markh1973 said:
Murph7355 said:
kentlad said:
It's down to the owner...not the dog in. Makes me sick to the teeth when a dog is blamed for biting someone. That behaviour is, 99% of the time, trained into the dog. ...
I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to bite him around the throat. I would have thought Dignitas would have been much easier and less painful...skyrover said:
Staffies are one of the few dogs recommended for families with children ...
By whom? I must have missed our midwife passing on that advice We don't allow people onto the roads without taking driving tests. Same should apply to dogs (at least ones over a certain size).
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