Cameron and Osbourne, dead men walking??
Discussion
Timmy40 said:
Gargamel said:
Well to be honest this is the thing I don't understand.
Cameron and Ozzy are merrily trumpeting the forthcoming recession, house price slide, world war three etc bUt as PM and Chancellor, shouldn't they be preparing a strategy to avoid those events if we vote to leave
I cannot understand why politically they have allowed themselves to personally become so involved. They could have taken a neutral position, commented a few times they are broadly in favour of Europe and allowed another hitter to lead/take the fall.
All a bit odd politically, Dave I can kind of understand, as he is off. By Ozzy is gambling.
Cameron and Ozzy are merrily trumpeting the forthcoming recession, house price slide, world war three etc bUt as PM and Chancellor, shouldn't they be preparing a strategy to avoid those events if we vote to leave
I cannot understand why politically they have allowed themselves to personally become so involved. They could have taken a neutral position, commented a few times they are broadly in favour of Europe and allowed another hitter to lead/take the fall.
All a bit odd politically, Dave I can kind of understand, as he is off. By Ozzy is gambling.
+1
I don't get it either. CMD surely realises that a very large part of his own parties support base are going to vote leave. It's the same for Labour.
But for some reason he's going all out for 'in' when all he had to do was say a referendum was promised as part of the election mandate, it's being delivered and it's upto the people to vote how they feel. And I honestly don't think his intervention is exactly helping the stay in campaign.
Like alot of others I sense some desperation in these daily 'they'll be a recession, your house price will collapse' announcements. And anything Osborne says I just filter out as bulls
t, because he's a bullstter of the highest order. A number of my friends who were paid up Conservative Party members expressed reservations about Cameron's and Osborne's EU credentials, in that my friends all believed Dave and George would do exactly this. At the time I was on the record as saying no they won't.
Now I'm eating humble pie and hearing "I told you so" with regular monotony. Bloody politicians!
rdjohn said:
It is a disaster really. Some Brexit MP was saying at the weekend that he thought that they would be fighting by Queensbury rules.
The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Imagine. Brexit win, Conservative party implodes, Corbyn wins the snap election and sets about turning the UK into an isolationist socialist Utopia. In 20 years time the UK resembles North Korea. The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Timmy40 said:
rdjohn said:
It is a disaster really. Some Brexit MP was saying at the weekend that he thought that they would be fighting by Queensbury rules.
The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Imagine. Brexit win, Conservative party implodes, Corbyn wins the snap election and sets about turning the UK into an isolationist socialist Utopia. In 20 years time the UK resembles North Korea. The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Esseesse said:
Timmy40 said:
rdjohn said:
It is a disaster really. Some Brexit MP was saying at the weekend that he thought that they would be fighting by Queensbury rules.
The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Imagine. Brexit win, Conservative party implodes, Corbyn wins the snap election and sets about turning the UK into an isolationist socialist Utopia. In 20 years time the UK resembles North Korea. The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Iran, Syria, Turkey, .....
While not quite N Korea, not far off it in many respects.
Timmy40 said:
rdjohn said:
It is a disaster really. Some Brexit MP was saying at the weekend that he thought that they would be fighting by Queensbury rules.
The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
Imagine. Brexit win, Conservative party implodes, Corbyn wins the snap election and sets about turning the UK into an isolationist socialist Utopia. In 20 years time the UK resembles North Korea. The opinion poles have not changed massively all year, so clearly one side runs the risk of egg on face. I thought it would be quiet, polite and sensible debate, perhaps with a big push by either side during the last few days. This daily farcical ranting is nothing short of an utter disgrace. And we still have a full month of this tosh to go.
The very worst outcome for me would be that the party implodes and dear Jeremy gets elected next time around, he must be feeling pretty smug at the moment.
CaptainSlow said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
OK here are some "democratic" countries which have regular elections and a constitution and have managed to fall fowl (or are about to) of their own laws:
Iran, Syria, Turkey, .....
While not quite N Korea, not far off it in many respects.
Very good.Iran, Syria, Turkey, .....
While not quite N Korea, not far off it in many respects.
as a prize 
As i say to my wife (who is of that nationality) "it really is a country that manages to live up to its name".
I suspect we will have a bizarre rerun of the Scottish referendum. Cameron will get his stay vote by a relatively comfortable margin, say 55/45 and then be left with his weak 'reforms' laid bare. This will divide the party and hurt them at the next election.
I suspect this because a large proportion of that 45%, and many tories amongst them, passionately want to leave for good solid reasons. They will not go away.
The 55% are made up of a mixture of habitual followers who will just vote how their favourite politicians tell them, those who fall for the scare stories and those who just don't want to rock the boat. Very few people passionately want to stay in the EU as it currently is.
This mix might well win him the referendum but it won't give him much authority over the coming years.
I hope this doesn't happen as I dearly want Britain to leave and turning that around to 55/45 in favour of leaving would be wonderful.
I suspect this because a large proportion of that 45%, and many tories amongst them, passionately want to leave for good solid reasons. They will not go away.
The 55% are made up of a mixture of habitual followers who will just vote how their favourite politicians tell them, those who fall for the scare stories and those who just don't want to rock the boat. Very few people passionately want to stay in the EU as it currently is.
This mix might well win him the referendum but it won't give him much authority over the coming years.
I hope this doesn't happen as I dearly want Britain to leave and turning that around to 55/45 in favour of leaving would be wonderful.
Sam All said:
s2art said:
Highly unlikely given the fixed term parliament act. The reality would be that the Tories elect a new leader, probably Boris and it just carries on.
Or a unifying figure -May?s2art said:
Also possible, but my guess is that the Tories will vote in someone who is seen to be popular in the country. I think Boris ticks that box better than May.
Hardly, I've voted Conservative for decades, but wouldn't want that clown at the helm!Saying that, a Boris/Donald press conference will be entertaining if nothing else
Jimboka said:
After the resounding stay vote, the misguided Brexit campaigners should be more worried about their futures
Why? Take Farage for instance, if stay then UKIP continues to have a reason for existence and will gain votes from all the disappointed leave voters. Which Brexit campaigners will suffer?The Spruce goose said:
'If we leave the EU we will cause a recession caused by ourselves'.
What about the bankers causing the last one you posh tt.
i know how i will vote now.
And this is precisely the objective. I think Dave n George are playing a game here. They want out but cannot be seen to actively campaign to leave for various reasons. What about the bankers causing the last one you posh t
t.i know how i will vote now.
So do exactly what the common man hates and treat them like idiots so they vote to leave.
Get all the top Tory talent on both sides.
Remain and unify party for next leadership and election.
Leave and unify party to set up a free uk for next leadership and election.
Walk out with history in their names.
This is how I would have played it as a euro sceptic PM with the U.K. on my watch still shaky in all walks of life.
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