Cameron and Osbourne, dead men walking??

Cameron and Osbourne, dead men walking??

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0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Jimboka said:
After the resounding stay vote, the misguided Brexit campaigners should be more worried about their futures
Tell that to the SNP.

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Jimboka said:
s2art said:
Also possible, but my guess is that the Tories will vote in someone who is seen to be popular in the country. I think Boris ticks that box better than May.
Hardly, I've voted Conservative for decades, but wouldn't want that clown at the helm!
Saying that, a Boris/Donald press conference will be entertaining if nothing else
Two Americans.

eyelight

20 posts

193 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

215 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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scoobster999 said:
are they dead men walking once the results are in..?
Oh, I DO hope so. I reckon that in my lifetime (I'm 44) I can't remember a time when I hated two politicians with more vile, disgust and anger....and that includes Thatcher, Blair and Brown...

Pair of utter bds they are, Cameron and Osbourne.....I can't even watch them when their gurning mugs come up on TV....I have to turn over immediately.



Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Pair of utter bds they are, Cameron and Osbourne.....I can't even watch them when their gurning mugs come up on TV....I have to turn over immediately.
I feel much the same way until I think of Abbott and Corbyn ruling the roost.

JagLover

42,266 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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0000 said:
Jimboka said:
After the resounding stay vote, the misguided Brexit campaigners should be more worried about their futures
Tell that to the SNP.
Indeed

I think Remain will win, but you have to consider the levels of support of both sides.

Remain will win because of large numbers who have bought into the economic scare stories but have limited enthusiasm for the EU. Alongside whom will be a relatively small percentage of passionate Pro-EU supporters.

The Leavers for the most part accept there will be some short term economic disruption but are voting in accordance with other concerns, such as sovereignty.

In terms of the two camps the Remain supporters are highly fluid and will feel betrayed by the next step in EU federalisation, or any other developments, like Turkey joining the EU.

In political party terms the foundations have been laid for the Tories to become a true Euro-sceptic party (not the pretence that Cameron and Osborne adopted before showing their true colours). This matters very much as future treaty change is inevitable.





powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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JagLover said:
0000 said:
Jimboka said:
After the resounding stay vote, the misguided Brexit campaigners should be more worried about their futures
Tell that to the SNP.
Indeed

I think Remain will win, but you have to consider the levels of support of both sides.

Remain will win because of large numbers who have bought into the economic scare stories but have limited enthusiasm for the EU. Alongside whom will be a relatively small percentage of passionate Pro-EU supporters.

The Leavers for the most part accept there will be some short term economic disruption but are voting in accordance with other concerns, such as sovereignty.

In terms of the two camps the Remain supporters are highly fluid and will feel betrayed by the next step in EU federalisation, or any other developments, like Turkey joining the EU.

In political party terms the foundations have been laid for the Tories to become a true Euro-sceptic party (not the pretence that Cameron and Osborne adopted before showing their true colours). This matters very much as future treaty change is inevitable.
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....





Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 25th May 09:07

Tony427

2,873 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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eyelight said:
and the man who squanders billions of pounds of our money in foreign aid giving it away to countries he himself describes as "fantastically corrupt".

Perhaps the Tories will wake up and get rid of this liability.

Cheers,

Tony



Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....
Golden Oldies: My Charge Sheet Against the Tories from 2010.Still Valid

The Conservative party offers nothing for conservative minded people.

RegMolehusband

3,959 posts

256 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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My sales of higher value luxury consumer items this month is going to be about 60% of what it was in May 2015, despite new products at great prices. It should be 30% higher than last year.

It's gone really quiet in the last two weeks and I put this down entirely to Cameron and Osborn scaremongering and talking down the economy in their desperation.

Cameron was playing with fire when he promised an EU referendum should they get re-elected, and now the flames are licking around his balls he is predicting war, famine, pestilence and general Armageddon should we leave the EU. Well it's costing me, and no doubt others, a great deal of money. tts.

JagLover

42,266 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Esseesse said:
powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....
Golden Oldies: My Charge Sheet Against the Tories from 2010.Still Valid

The Conservative party offers nothing for conservative minded people.
I think the problem is people emptily mouth that there should be "Tory Modernisation" without clarifying what that means. Unlike the article I do think it should include greater acceptance of different lifestyle choices, but it should not be accepted that "modernisation" means becoming centre left.

A modern Conservative party will be one that stands for democracy, meritocracy, prosperity and sound public finances.

We are starting to see a realignment of politics between on the one hand a self-satisfied establishment and the other the people. If the Conservatives are on the wrong side of that battle they will indeed fade into irrelevance.

Trophy Husband

3,924 posts

106 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Smollet said:
I feel much the same way until I think of Abbott and Corbyn ruling the roost.
Better Abbott and Costello for me!

Who can you trust in this scenario?
I say nobody but yourself.
The problem with us humans is that we don't live long enough to answer for our mistakes. If Dave and Gideon the napkin folder knew they would be around for another hundred years they may stop being twunts.

I'm for the hokey coke. That's what it's all about.

iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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scoobster999 said:
With Ozzy there is a fair chance he is a dead man walking.....he at least looks like it. Sorry to the pedant for the misspelling of Osborne.
Pointing out the (repeated) incorrect spelling of somebody's name isn't pedantry.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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JagLover said:
Esseesse said:
powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....
Golden Oldies: My Charge Sheet Against the Tories from 2010.Still Valid

The Conservative party offers nothing for conservative minded people.
I think the problem is people emptily mouth that there should be "Tory Modernisation" without clarifying what that means. Unlike the article I do think it should include greater acceptance of different lifestyle choices, but it should not be accepted that "modernisation" means becoming centre left.

A modern Conservative party will be one that stands for democracy, meritocracy, prosperity and sound public finances.
Yet did I hear (3rd hand) that yesterday Theresa May saying there's not enough women in the Fire service? As you say, there should be meritocracy and if 99.9% of women are not strong enough to be a Fireman, tough.

A modern Conservative party needs to stand against PC too IMO, enforce the law equally without fear (which now doesn't happen due to PC). And stop harassing people for holding conservative views.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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I see a couple of online news outlets talking about votes of no confidence in the government following June the 23rd. If MP's had anything about them this should happen before the referendum. Put Boris (not that I think he's 100% ok) in for the last few weeks and have the government campaign for leave.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....





Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 25th May 09:07
I must say I feel exactly the same way. Labour is the political wing of the Unions with a core vote from the Welfare Class.

The Conservatives are the party of big busiess.

And no one is representing or appearing to give a c**p about the ordinary, tax paying, working, non benefit claiming man/woman.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Timmy40 said:
powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....





Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 25th May 09:07
I must say I feel exactly the same way. Labour is the political wing of the Unions with a core vote from the Welfare Class.

The Conservatives are the party of big busiess.

And no one is representing or appearing to give a c**p about the ordinary, tax paying, working, non benefit claiming man/woman.

Will it matter much either way if we stay in the EU? The apparent vote of confidence in Europe will be nothing but encouragement to them to get our economy in line with the rest of the members.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Timmy40 said:
powerstroke said:
I think a remain vote will continue the tory slide into oblivion, when I've voted for them in the past it was in the hope of small government and standing up for democracy ,small business and people bettering themselves,
I now realise basicly they are to serve big business and crony capitalism
I doubt much will change post CMD and Gidion
They offer little to the man in the street ....





Edited by powerstroke on Wednesday 25th May 09:07
I must say I feel exactly the same way. Labour is the political wing of the Unions with a core vote from the Welfare Class.

The Conservatives are the party of big busiess.

And no one is representing or appearing to give a c**p about the ordinary, tax paying, working, non benefit claiming man/woman.
I've found a lot to like about UKIP seems they want a sensible points based immigration system , have some idea about energy policy that will provide power , tax 'health ,defence and most of there pollicys seems sensible
what puts me off them is the brilliant but sadly very autocratic leader!!
who is holding the party back by not allowing others to make their voices heard its all about Nigel and its wearing a bit thin....
the disgusting treatment of Suzanne Evans is also a negative ..
but maybe they could be the real conservitive party for us ...


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Wednesday 13th July 2016
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Poor Gideon, didn't get the Foreign Sec' job he thought was his.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,910 posts

215 months

Wednesday 13th July 2016
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BlackLabel said:
Poor Gideon, didn't get the Foreign Sec' job he thought was his.
Poor? fk him.

I'm sure he'll cope, what with his millions and all that.