The 1975 EEC referendum
Discussion
I think that the EEC made a lot of sense in the 70's. When there were 11, 15 countries with significant economies, things could get done. Enlargement has not increased trade hugely, just jobs to the low cost economies.
The Euro was always going to be a disaster waiting to happen, whereas it could have made a lot of sense with just a small number of like-minded high-achieving economies. The problem now is the currency is too cheap for German an Dutch economies, but is killing the Club-Med brigade.
I am certain that quite a few other countries are envious of at least having an opertunity to decide if they wish to continue with the current madness.
The Euro was always going to be a disaster waiting to happen, whereas it could have made a lot of sense with just a small number of like-minded high-achieving economies. The problem now is the currency is too cheap for German an Dutch economies, but is killing the Club-Med brigade.
I am certain that quite a few other countries are envious of at least having an opertunity to decide if they wish to continue with the current madness.
Hosenbugler said:
It was a con alright . Have a read of this
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm...
"This page contains the text of the Government produce pamphlet advocating a vote to stay in the "European Community (Common Market)" in the 1975 British Referendum on continuing British membership."
Sod all to do with what the electorate were told , its what they were not . Starting of course with the main aim (political union, a Federal Europe) of the treaty of Rome.
Thanks for posting that pamphlet - very interesting. I think some of it stands true with the aim of the EU now - right at the start it states the following and I think most of these measures were met. How much or little you would agree, and was down to the EU, is a subjective of course.http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm...
"This page contains the text of the Government produce pamphlet advocating a vote to stay in the "European Community (Common Market)" in the 1975 British Referendum on continuing British membership."
Sod all to do with what the electorate were told , its what they were not . Starting of course with the main aim (political union, a Federal Europe) of the treaty of Rome.
The aims of the Common Market are:
To bring together the peoples of Europe.
To raise living standards and improve working conditions.
To promote growth and boost world trade.
To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.
To help maintain peace and freedom.
jakesmith said:
Hosenbugler said:
It was a con alright . Have a read of this
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm...
"This page contains the text of the Government produce pamphlet advocating a vote to stay in the "European Community (Common Market)" in the 1975 British Referendum on continuing British membership."
Sod all to do with what the electorate were told , its what they were not . Starting of course with the main aim (political union, a Federal Europe) of the treaty of Rome.
Thanks for posting that pamphlet - very interesting. I think some of it stands true with the aim of the EU now - right at the start it states the following and I think most of these measures were met. How much or little you would agree, and was down to the EU, is a subjective of course.http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm...
"This page contains the text of the Government produce pamphlet advocating a vote to stay in the "European Community (Common Market)" in the 1975 British Referendum on continuing British membership."
Sod all to do with what the electorate were told , its what they were not . Starting of course with the main aim (political union, a Federal Europe) of the treaty of Rome.
The aims of the Common Market are:
To bring together the peoples of Europe.
To raise living standards and improve working conditions.
To promote growth and boost world trade.
To help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world.
To help maintain peace and freedom.
Smiler. said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, according to some measurements. That is definitely not "poor".
What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is s
t" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else.
You generally don't think that there there is an ever growing malaise in this country?What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is s
t" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else. Certain parts now resemble a third-world slum.
The "rights" of the feckless are now enshrined in law but their responsibilities are as non-existent as their work ethic.
The "political activists" have clicked on the idea that they don't actually have to work for a living if they make whatever outrages them the most the sole reason for their existence. Meanwhile, those that actually do work & take a modicum of pride in that are left to try & to keep things running & the tax coffers full.
I'm sick of hearing about the amount of resource spunked up the wall on an hourly basis by those who contribute little or nothing to society, all in the name of the latest politically expedient b
ks. That goes from left to right on the spectrum. It is s
t. And blaming it on anyone & everyone else? Well I've been too busy working since the age of 16 to be able to attend a diversity group of protest about the poll tax or whatever else was happening that moment as an alternative to real work.
I stumbled across this whole festering attitude when I moved up to secondary school. It's has only gotten worse since then. If you genuinely think it's all roses in the garden, well good for you I suppose. I too know people manage to avoid most of the s
te floating around & in the grand scheme of things, I'm very, very lucky. But a gold at Chelsea it ain't.markh1973 said:
Smiler. said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, according to some measurements. That is definitely not "poor".
What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is st" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else.
You generally don't think that there there is an ever growing malaise in this country?What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is s
t" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else. Certain parts now resemble a third-world slum.
The "rights" of the feckless are now enshrined in law but their responsibilities are as non-existent as their work ethic.
The "political activists" have clicked on the idea that they don't actually have to work for a living if they make whatever outrages them the most the sole reason for their existence. Meanwhile, those that actually do work & take a modicum of pride in that are left to try & to keep things running & the tax coffers full.
I'm sick of hearing about the amount of resource spunked up the wall on an hourly basis by those who contribute little or nothing to society, all in the name of the latest politically expedient b
ks. That goes from left to right on the spectrum. It is s
t. And blaming it on anyone & everyone else? Well I've been too busy working since the age of 16 to be able to attend a diversity group of protest about the poll tax or whatever else was happening that moment as an alternative to real work.
I stumbled across this whole festering attitude when I moved up to secondary school. It's has only gotten worse since then. If you genuinely think it's all roses in the garden, well good for you I suppose. I too know people manage to avoid most of the s
te floating around & in the grand scheme of things, I'm very, very lucky. But a gold at Chelsea it ain't.Eric Mc said:
I sometimes think that Britain's "why is everybody kicking us around" attitude frankly pathetic. The country should just roll its sleeves up and get into the ring with the rest of them and fight its causes properly instead of whingeing from the corner saying "poor us, nobody loves us".
Bloody hell, I'm agreeing with Eric! A very good Frenchie friend of mine, went to the best French Uni (ENS possibly? Not sure), he recons half of his Uni friends went into the French civil service, a highly admired and competitive career path, aparently. On the other hand we worked with a huge number of Oxbridge types and none of them knew a single person who went into our civil service. His theory is that whilst the politicians are equally as crap the French civil service pulls everyone elses pants down before the thicko politicians even sit down at the negotiating table. fblm said:
Eric Mc said:
I sometimes think that Britain's "why is everybody kicking us around" attitude frankly pathetic. The country should just roll its sleeves up and get into the ring with the rest of them and fight its causes properly instead of whingeing from the corner saying "poor us, nobody loves us".
Bloody hell, I'm agreeing with Eric! A very good Frenchie friend of mine, went to the best French Uni (ENS possibly? Not sure), he recons half of his Uni friends went into the French civil service, a highly admired and competitive career path, aparently. On the other hand we worked with a huge number of Oxbridge types and none of them knew a single person who went into our civil service. His theory is that whilst the politicians are equally as crap the French civil service pulls everyone elses pants down before the thicko politicians even sit down at the negotiating table. Although I dont admire the French in many things, they do have a certain way with bureaucracy.
Smiler. said:
markh1973 said:
Smiler. said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, according to some measurements. That is definitely not "poor".
What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is st" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else.
You generally don't think that there there is an ever growing malaise in this country?What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is s
t" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else. Certain parts now resemble a third-world slum.
The "rights" of the feckless are now enshrined in law but their responsibilities are as non-existent as their work ethic.
The "political activists" have clicked on the idea that they don't actually have to work for a living if they make whatever outrages them the most the sole reason for their existence. Meanwhile, those that actually do work & take a modicum of pride in that are left to try & to keep things running & the tax coffers full.
I'm sick of hearing about the amount of resource spunked up the wall on an hourly basis by those who contribute little or nothing to society, all in the name of the latest politically expedient b
ks. That goes from left to right on the spectrum. It is s
t. And blaming it on anyone & everyone else? Well I've been too busy working since the age of 16 to be able to attend a diversity group of protest about the poll tax or whatever else was happening that moment as an alternative to real work.
I stumbled across this whole festering attitude when I moved up to secondary school. It's has only gotten worse since then. If you genuinely think it's all roses in the garden, well good for you I suppose. I too know people manage to avoid most of the s
te floating around & in the grand scheme of things, I'm very, very lucky. But a gold at Chelsea it ain't.What I don't share is your view of Britain.
If you think I'm struggling g with the words you use why don't you show me some pictures of parts of Britain resembling third world slums.
Eric Mc said:
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world, according to some measurements. That is definitely not "poor".
What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is st" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else.
yes the remain lot are a bunch of What amazes me is that so many people are determined to do this country down in order to justify their viewpoints.
It seems that they constantly want to convince themselves that "this country is s
t" and blame the sttiness on anybody and everybody else. s.... steveT350C said:
alfie2244 said:
In 2056 (40 yrs time) I wonder how many over the age of 58 will be saying "this isn't what we voted for - the lying barstewards"? I doubt, in fact I know, I won't be around to see it though 
I'm worried it's going 'in'TwigtheWonderkid said:
I was 13 in 1975 but we had a vote in school and I voted not to join. This time I shall vote to remain in.
There's a lot of arguments both ways but the leave camp definitely has a far higher number of scumbags I utterly despise on board. I can't help thinking that being in the opposite camp to Katie fking Hopkins, Ian an Smith, that tt Farage and Gove, has got to be the right way forward.
I'm just hoping the Catholic church will declare itself in the leave camp and then I'll know for certain I'm on the right track.
Why don't you base your vote on what you feel is best for our future?There's a lot of arguments both ways but the leave camp definitely has a far higher number of scumbags I utterly despise on board. I can't help thinking that being in the opposite camp to Katie f
king Hopkins, Ian an Smith, that tt Farage and Gove, has got to be the right way forward.I'm just hoping the Catholic church will declare itself in the leave camp and then I'll know for certain I'm on the right track.
Basing your decision on what other people think seems a bit stupid to me.
I shall vote for what I believe will give my kids the best future.
don4l said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I was 13 in 1975 but we had a vote in school and I voted not to join. This time I shall vote to remain in.
There's a lot of arguments both ways but the leave camp definitely has a far higher number of scumbags I utterly despise on board. I can't help thinking that being in the opposite camp to Katie fking Hopkins, Ian an Smith, that tt Farage and Gove, has got to be the right way forward.
I'm just hoping the Catholic church will declare itself in the leave camp and then I'll know for certain I'm on the right track.
Why don't you base your vote on what you feel is best for our future?There's a lot of arguments both ways but the leave camp definitely has a far higher number of scumbags I utterly despise on board. I can't help thinking that being in the opposite camp to Katie f
king Hopkins, Ian an Smith, that tt Farage and Gove, has got to be the right way forward.I'm just hoping the Catholic church will declare itself in the leave camp and then I'll know for certain I'm on the right track.
Basing your decision on what other people think seems a bit stupid to me.
I shall vote for what I believe will give my kids the best future.
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