Unelected EU commissioner vows to block elected governments

[anonymous-user]

Axionknight said:

Europa1 said:

I suspect Mr Juncker is engaging in a bit of macho posturing and being a tad over-simplistic in what the mechanism actually says, and The Times has understandably seized on that.

He may not have had his morning brandy to steady himself.

Now, now! He has stated unequivocally that he has no problem with drink. He loves it............

[Likes Fast Cars]

REALIST123 said:

Now, now! He has stated unequivocally that he has no problem with drink. He loves it............

When the EU goes tits up he can always blame the drink.

[Axionknight]

REALIST123 said:

Axionknight said:

Europa1 said:

I suspect Mr Juncker is engaging in a bit of macho posturing and being a tad over-simplistic in what the mechanism actually says, and The Times has understandably seized on that.

He may not have had his morning brandy to steady himself.

Now, now! He has stated unequivocally that he has no problem with drink. He loves it............

Oh, you won't find me bad mouthing a man for liking a swig, I'm fairly partial myself

[Pesty]

Esseesse said:

Article said:

Under powers given to the commission in 2014, he can trigger a “rule of law mechanism” for countries that depart from democratic norms by putting a government under... (I don't pay)

So is a 'far right' government ok if it is there by democratic norms?

Article said:

The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.

So not just 'far right', also 'populist'. So would that include a UKIP government? Is it now an unacceptable political position to wish for less or no migration?

Do they want a war because that's how you get wars

[turbobloke]

Link in the OP said:

The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.

Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said.

What a load of junck.

There is no democracy for the peoples of EU nation states when it comes to the far-fukwits in the EU, not least because there's no voting for them or against them at the hand of mere voters. This goes most of the way to explaining why these far-fukwits in the EU think they can get away with promoting and threatening to install totalitarianism.

[EddieSteadyGo]

wc98 said:

a significant amount of ph members conspicuous by their absence on this thread. where is ///ajd for instance ? zod ? steady eddie ?

Been too busy to post much... please don't think it is related to the overwhelming strength of the Leave arguments presented by this thread.

Actually, I was talking with a chap at work who is a committed Outer (all for the perfectly clear reasons related to sovereignty, democracy etc).

He was beginning to wonder if the Leave Campaign's secret weapon (Boris) is beginning to be more of a hindrance than a help.

At the same time, I couldn't but agree with a smidgen of what Nicola Sturgeon said (didn't think I would write that on a thread!) regarding the risk of over-blowing the economic risks.

I've posted before, I do think the weight of economic arguments are with Remain. But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

[turbobloke]

EddieSteadyGo said:

But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

Was that a suggestion that Juncker keeps the screen up and holds back from making statements that let the EU's true colours show?

[EddieSteadyGo]

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

Was that a suggestion that Juncker keeps the screen up and holds back from making statements that let the EU's true colours show?

Ops, posted this in the wrong thread, it was meant for the other one about the EU.... I was referring more to the latest report from the Treasury.

[turbobloke]

EddieSteadyGo said:

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

Was that a suggestion that Juncker keeps the screen up and holds back from making statements that let the EU's true colours show?

Ops, posted this in the wrong thread, it was meant for the other one about the EU.... I was referring more to the latest report from the Treasury.

???!!!

[anonymous-user]

Puggit said:

Interesting you mention Poland... http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/16a8f504-bb72-11e5-b151-...

The polish government aren't exactly whiter than white and seem to be wanting to control the media.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/polish-...

[steveT350C]

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

Was that a suggestion that Juncker keeps the screen up and holds back from making statements that let the EU's true colours show?

Ops, posted this in the wrong thread, it was meant for the other one about the EU.... I was referring more to the latest report from the Treasury.

???!!!

It's almost as if replies are written by one person and sent to another for posting

[EddieSteadyGo]

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

But sometimes it is good in terms of being persuasive to try to keep the rhetoric in check, just a little.

Was that a suggestion that Juncker keeps the screen up and holds back from making statements that let the EU's true colours show?

Ops, posted this in the wrong thread, it was meant for the other one about the EU.... I was referring more to the latest report from the Treasury.

???!!!

Some of you guys read my posts in the wrong way. All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.

That doesn't mean I swallow whatever the latest press release from the Remain campaign, or indeed the Government.

Perfectly able to make up my own mind in terms of which bits I believe and which I take with a pinch of salt.

[Puggit]

I posted about this on Facebook - not one bite from the lefties.

Remarkable

[EddieSteadyGo]

Puggit said:

I posted about this on Facebook - not one bite from the lefties.

Remarkable

Maybe they could tell they were being baited.

[Likes Fast Cars]

EddieSteadyGo said:

..... All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.
......

There's a contradiction in your own statement.

Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like

[turbobloke]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Puggit said:

I posted about this on Facebook - not one bite from the lefties.

Remarkable

Maybe they could tell they were being baited.

Presumably good ol' Juncker was merely baiting people who favour democracy over the EU rather than demonstrating yet again why remaining in the same sewer he's in will lead to smellies all-round.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Likes Fast Cars said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

..... All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.
......

There's a contradiction in your own statement.

Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like

Well, I'm pretty happy with my conclusion. And it fits with leading figures I happen to hold in high regard. But feel free to go your own way.

[turbobloke]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

..... All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.
......

There's a contradiction in your own statement.

Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like

Well, I'm pretty happy with my conclusion. And it fits with leading figures I happen to hold in high regard. But feel free to go your own way.

Agreeing with people you've previously agreed with is hardly critical analysis. Experts are people who travel a long distance to show slides, and they're often wrong.

[Likes Fast Cars]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

..... All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.
......

There's a contradiction in your own statement.

Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like

Well, I'm pretty happy with my conclusion. And it fits with leading figures I happen to hold in high regard. But feel free to go your own way.

In all honesty having seen a number of things happen over the past 10+ years in the financial markets I cannot see a long-term economic future for the UK in the EU. The UK is better off out, just the European banking system and the capital ratios and stress testing results should set alarm bells ringing. If the UK stays in it won't take long for "all bets to be off" on any deal Dave manages to make with the EU.

I can see a situation where - post Brexit - the UK's economic performance will relatively quickly (within 3 years) start to significantly outperforms those of the EU.

The EU does not have the deep pockets it may have once had or believe it has/had. Taking away the British annual contribution to the EU gravy train will hurt the EU, but will benefit the UK. Simple math.

From a social and general political perspective I think it's a no-brainer to get out.

[EddieSteadyGo]

turbobloke said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Puggit said:

I posted about this on Facebook - not one bite from the lefties.

Remarkable

Maybe they could tell they were being baited.

Presumably good ol' Juncker was merely baiting people who favour democracy over the EU rather than demonstrating yet again why remaining in the same sewer he's in will lead to smellies all-round.

Without wanted to offer a low-blow, I've posted before that Facebook IMO is for sharing things with your friends and family, not for politics. Anyone on Facebook I see posting this kind of stuff, regardless of which side they are taking, quickly gets hidden from my timeline.

I also think it shows a discourtesy toward your real friends to post something designed to be irritating.