Unelected EU commissioner vows to block elected governments

[EddieSteadyGo]

Likes Fast Cars said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

..... All I want is stability, with some steady growth in the economy if possible. Which I think is most likely remaining in the EU.
......

There's a contradiction in your own statement.

Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt if you like

Well, I'm pretty happy with my conclusion. And it fits with leading figures I happen to hold in high regard. But feel free to go your own way.

In all honesty having seen a number of things happen over the past 10+ years in the financial markets I cannot see a long-term economic future for the UK in the EU. The UK is better off out, just the European banking system and the capital ratios and stress testing results should set alarm bells ringing. If the UK stays in it won't take long for "all bets to be off" on any deal Dave manages to make with the EU.

I can see a situation where - post Brexit - the UK's economic performance will relatively quickly (within 3 years) start to significantly outperforms those of the EU.

The EU does not have the deep pockets it may have once had or believe it has/had. Taking away the British annual contribution to the EU gravy train will hurt the EU, but will benefit the UK. Simple math.

From a social and general political perspective I think it's a no-brainer to get out.

We are already outperforming many other counties in the EU, so your prediction of three years hence is already true.

If you look at the underlying detail of some of the post Brexit forecasts, it doesn't say we would be a basket case in the long term with Brexit. But all of the weight of economic forecasts predict we would be worse off with Brexit. Of course they all might be wrong, but on the balance of probability I am happy with my choice.

By the way, the Brexiter's haven't even bothered to produce their own financial plan as to how they see things working out. This was a VERY big strategic mistake IMO when they were planning the Leave campaign.

[eyelight]

Axionknight said:

He may not have had his morning brandy to steady himself.

He does seem to like a drink.
Unelected fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IoGSlnIWYA

[wc98]

EddieSteadyGo said:

We are already outperforming many other counties in the EU, so your prediction of three years hence is already true.

If you look at the underlying detail of some of the post Brexit forecasts, it doesn't say we would be a basket case in the long term with Brexit. But all of the weight of economic forecasts predict we would be worse off with Brexit. Of course they all might be wrong, but on the balance of probability I am happy with my choice.

By the way, the Brexiter's haven't even bothered to produce their own financial plan as to how they see things working out. This was a VERY big strategic mistake IMO when they were planning the Leave campaign.

any chance at all that you could comment on the topic of the thread , i.e junckers anti democracy announcement.

[EnglishTony]

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

[steveT350C]

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Who was he standing against?

[Puggit]

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Did you miss a step? The important one...?

[dandarez]

Puggit said:

EUTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Did you miss a step? The important one...?

And time he changed his username? I've helped above.

[Guybrush]

steveT350C said:

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Who was he standing against?

Very similar to the 'election' of state officials in the old soviet union. Of course they were elected...by their friends. No convincing argument from Remainaians about the lack of EU democracy. I think the biggest fear one can have is to remain - there's the fear, certainty of worse to come and no doubt we will be asked to pay more and have progressively more of our own powers to govern eroded. And more restrictive trade deals. And more continued uncontrolled immigration. The Remainians have yet to give a convincing argument to Remain.

[Axionknight]

Guybrush said:

The Remainians have yet to give a convincing argument to Remain.

Vote Remain.

OR WE ALL DIE HORRIBLY.

In all seriousness, I'll be voting leave and expect a period of turmoil afterwards, such a big political occurrence always upsets sentiment which affects the markets, it wouldn't last forever though IMO.

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Who was he standing against?

And elected in this context involves his name on a ballot paper, with other names, against which the UK electorate can mark its choice.

Unelected.

[grumbledoak]

eyelight said:

He does seem to like a drink.
Unelected fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IoGSlnIWYA

God knows how Tusk was feeling - I'm going to need an iron for my own toes!

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

steveT350C said:

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Who was he standing against?

And elected in this context involves his name on a ballot paper, with other names, against which the UK electorate can mark its choice.

Unelected.

So our Prime Minister is unelected too. I see....

[Puggit]

rscott said:

So our Prime Minister is unelected too. I see....

Well, at least Whitney chose him. And at least the UK electorate knew if they voted for their own Tory MP that Cameron would then rule.

Not perfect, but a damn sight better than Juncker and his gravy-train cronies. (should that be sherry-train cronies?)

[Murph7355]

Juncker is a cretin.

Though at least he's open about the overall objectives of the EU.

[CrutyRammers]

rscott said:

So our Prime Minister is unelected too. I see....

As has been said many, many times before. The answer to democratic deficiencies in our own system is not to import a whole other layer of even worse deficiencies above it.

[turbobloke]

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

steveT350C said:

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Who was he standing against?

And elected in this context involves his name on a ballot paper, with other names, against which the UK electorate can mark its choice.

Unelected.

So our Prime Minister is unelected too. I see....

I see that UK voters in the Witney constituency had an opportunity to elect Cameron or somebody else in 2015. His name was on a ballot paper that they could mark to signal their choice. He was the leader of his Party and the consequences were clear.

If you'd read the post you replied to as it was written, rather than how you hoped it was written, you'd see that the unelected tag fits Juncker like a glove - no name on a ballot paper that UK voters can use to signal their choice - but not Cameron, as his name has appeared on a ballot paper available to Witney constituents. Witney is in the UK.

[Puggit]

Harperson doens't know who Juncker is: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673271/eu-harriet...

[CrutyRammers]

EnglishTony said:

"Unelected EU Commissioner"

Jean-Claude Juncker is President of the European Commission and elected by the European Parliament which in turn is elected by the citizens of the EU.

Do please pay attention.

Maybe pay attention yourself?

"Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union, as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, lays out the procedure for appointing the President and his team. The European Council votes by qualified majority for a nominee for the post of President, taking account of the latest European elections. This proposal is then put before Parliament which must approve or veto the appointment. If an absolute majority of MEPs support the nominee, he/she is elected."

He is not elected by the parliament. He is elected by the Council, the EU parliament may then veto it. Quite a different thing.
So, you vote for an MP. They vote for their leader (perhaps along with others like unions). If their team wins the GE, then their leader has 1/28 vote in who should be the President of the Commission.

He is not elected by the people, not even nearly.

[turbobloke]

Puggit said:

Harperson doens't know who Juncker is: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673271/eu-harriet...

That was a tough and cruel test though

We'd need to check she knows her arse from her elbow first, which should (probably) be OK, then if so we stop there as All Must Have Prizes and failure is not an option.



Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, as was.

[limpsfield]

Long time lurker , first time poster.

I am struggling to navigate this site, is there anywhere on NPE to discuss the EU as I can't seem to find any threads?

Merci