Unelected EU commissioner vows to block elected governments

Unelected EU commissioner vows to block elected governments

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JagLover

42,421 posts

235 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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In this week's Economist they have an article about the rise of the "far-right" in Europe.

In the UK they have apparently decided that UKIP is a far right party, which may be an indication of how accurate it is for the rest of Europe wobble

Edited by JagLover on Sunday 29th May 08:09

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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JagLover said:
In this week's Economist they have an article about the rise of the "far-right" in Europe.

In the UK they have apparently decided that UKIP is a far right party, which may be an indication of how correct is for the rest of Europe wobble
To the Ecommunist, UKIP may well appear FAR-RIGHT! FAR-RIGHT!

We need upper case here to get the alarmist terminology right.

ATG

20,577 posts

272 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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turbobloke said:
JagLover said:
In this week's Economist they have an article about the rise of the "far-right" in Europe.

In the UK they have apparently decided that UKIP is a far right party, which may be an indication of how correct is for the rest of Europe wobble
To the Ecommunist, UKIP may well appear FAR-RIGHT! FAR-RIGHT!

We need upper case here to get the alarmist terminology right.
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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ATG said:
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.
Really? Even their energy policy?

turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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s2art said:
ATG said:
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.
Really? Even their energy policy?
UKIP's enery policy is the best of the lot by far, and that claim from ATG for the Ecommunist's political stance needs "once in reality and now in theory" adding to it, given that reading it often enough provides a different view.

JagLover

42,421 posts

235 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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ATG said:
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.
You, and they, may disagree with many of UKIPs policies but to describe them as a "far-right" party is highly misleading and increases aggressive partisanship in political debate.




JagLover

42,421 posts

235 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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turbobloke said:
and that claim from ATG for the Ecommunist's political stance needs "once in reality and now in theory" adding to it, given that reading it often enough provides a different view.
I find that the Economist is highly variable. Its leaders read like they were written by an earnest NUS leader who is there on work experience, and the Britain section has a clearly biased political agenda. The rest of the magazine however is variable and you can have some sensible articles that do reflect the free market, libertarian roots, of the magazine.

Bear in mind as well that most of the British section is removed for the international edition and perhaps they take out all the drivel when they do so.


turbobloke

103,963 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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JagLover said:
turbobloke said:
and that claim from ATG for the Ecommunist's political stance needs "once in reality and now in theory" adding to it, given that reading it often enough provides a different view.
I find that the Economist is highly variable. Its leaders read like they were written by an earnest NUS leader who is there on work experience, and the Britain section has a clearly biased political agenda. The rest of the magazine however is variable and you can have some sensible articles that do reflect the free market, libertarian roots, of the magazine.
Yes I agree there are libertarian roots showing, but the rest of your reply (which I also agree with) demonstrates that the Ecommunist lives up to its moniker.

Digga

40,328 posts

283 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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s2art said:
ATG said:
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.
Really? Even their energy policy?
I call bullst on that ATG. The Economist, as much as it is capable of producing decent content is also perennially left wing. never forget, for the sake of one's own compass, that it is linked to Pearson, the education organisation directly responsible for the recent 11 plus test leaks.

Digga

40,328 posts

283 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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s2art said:
ATG said:
Given that the Economist is a free market libertarian organ, if it criticises UKIP you might hope right wingers would take it seriously.

The Economist is concerned about the rise of populist, lazy, scapegoaty, knuckle headed politics. You can pretend the righty-wingy thing was the crux of their concern if you like, but it is the irrationalism that is the key concern. UKIP's analysis of the country's problems are wrong, consequently their policies, such as they are, are hopeless.
Really? Even their energy policy?
I call bullst on that ATG. The Economist, as much as it is capable of producing decent content is also perennially left wing. never forget, for the sake of one's own compass, that it is linked to Pearson, the education organisation directly responsible for the recent 11 plus test leaks.