Death by curry.

[Ayahuasca]

AndrewEH1 said:

But I can tell you it isn't a pleasant way to go.

I don't imagine it is. Poor sod.

If I knew I was that allergic to nuts there is NO WAY I would bet my life on the nut hygiene of a takeaway restaurant.

[Blaster72]

Another restaurant owned by the same chap had done the same to another customer only a few days earlier but fortunately she survived.

Trading standards tested food at the restaurant while the case was ongoing and still the substituted cheaper ingredients were being used.

The guy deserved to be in jail, no question, he knew what he was doing and why the ingredients were cheaper yet risked his customers lives and ultimately killed one of them.

Thousands of restaurants around the country manage to cope with customers with nut allergies without harming them by taking proper precautions. This guy was prepared to kill to save a few £££.

[Blaster72]

Ayahuasca said:

I don't imagine it is. Poor sod.

If I knew I was that allergic to nuts there is NO WAY I would bet my life on the nut hygiene of a takeaway restaurant.

Neither would I to be fair.

[Cotty]

Blaster72 said:

Thousands of restaurants around the country manage to cope with customers with nut allergies without harming them by taking proper precautions. This guy was prepared to kill to save a few £££.

If he just wanted to save money, he should not have put any nuts in it, which is what the customer asked for.

[anonymous-user]

Fugazi said:

Peanuts aren't actually nuts, they belong to the legume family, like peas and beans. So you can actually be allergic to peanuts but not tree nuts and vice-versa. Although I believe they both contain similar proteins and you can be allergic to both. Incidentally this is also why you see 'warning, may contain nuts' on bags of peanuts as they're both handled in the same factories.

This is why I like PH

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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I once did a curry making evening in the kitchens of my old favorite brick lane gaff. Given the production line of sauces and comingling of ingredients, pans and cutlery there is no way in hell they could produce an uncontaminated meal if they regularly use nuts.

[crankedup]

dudleybloke said:

Did he carry an autoinjector/epipen thingy with him? I know someone with a mild peanut allergy who always carries one just in case

Yup, I carry one of those things, an epipen, mine is for severe insect sting appellectic shock. Following a wasp sting on my hand my arm swelled up like the Hulk. Another sting around face or neck would likely see me off. Hence the
epipen full of adrenaline.

[Justayellowbadge]

I confess I used to find the whole nut allergy thing a little extreme, in my ignorance.

However, my OH has a friend who can react badly within seconds of walking into a room someone has just eat a Snickers in. It's astonishing and I would hate to be in such a precarious position.

A well deserved sentence.

[crankedup]

anonymous said:

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Jeez that's a lousy situation for the lad, and of course yourselves as parents. Any medical chance of remedial?

[Einion Yrth]

crankedup said:

Yup, I carry one of those things, an epipen, mine is for severe insect sting appellectic shock.

anaphylactic?

[miniman]

I'm genuinely interested to know whether this kind of severe allergic reaction is a relatively new thing, or whether we just hear about it more readily these days. I don't recall any of my school friends being allergic to things. Was it passed off as something else, or are we genuinely becoming more sensitive to certain foodstuffs?

[David A]

crankedup said:

Yup, I carry one of those things, an epipen, mine is for severe insect sting appellectic shock. Following a wasp sting on my hand my arm swelled up like the Hulk. Another sting around face or neck would likely see me off. Hence the
epipen full of adrenaline.

How long did it take to swell up - mine was a couple of days and felt like it was on fire. Steroids and lots off anti histamines to get it back to normal. You can just see the White mark of the sting on the left - thought it was time to go to the docs when my watch popped off!

[mikees]

miniman said:

I'm genuinely interested to know whether this kind of severe allergic reaction is a relatively new thing, or whether we just hear about it more readily these days. I don't recall any of my school friends being allergic to things. Was it passed off as something else, or are we genuinely becoming more sensitive to certain foodstuffs?

Ditto. I always wonder if it's in some way related to modern life and just stuff. Ditto ADHD etc though I know a lot more about this as other half teaches so understand historical context.

Same with depression and breakdowns etc. We're these so common during WW1 ? Or did we just not know and they were ignored with a "just get on with it" and the sufferers got killed. Might go and try and Google modern ailments in earlier times tho early attempts getting me nowhere. Anyone else know.?

It's st now either way.




Mike

[blearyeyedboy]

An EpiPen saved my life once.

I get scared eating in new places, to be honest. There are no guarantees and I take a degree of care. I'm especially careful around certain types of food. Curries are one type of meal I struggle with- you've got a meal covered in sauce, it's hard to be certain what's in it. Certain cuisines use more nuts, some use fewer- I have more choice in Italian restaurants than in Chinese places for example.

But at some point, you have to live, accepting that it carries risks. At some point, you get fed up of being the only guy eating out of Tupperware at family parties. Some of you will think I'm crackers but the social exclusion of not eating with everyone else gets to you sometimes. So, some people do unwise things from time to time, and mine is having a weakness for certain types of eating out.

That said, I'm careful to an extent, and that's the point of legislation around food allergy labels. Your food has nuts in? That's OK, I'll eat elsewhere. You think your stuff's nut free but you can't 100% be sure? That's OK, I'll make a decision and accept responsibility for what happens.

But if you say your food is nut free and you lied about it, or didn't care? If you say that you'll take responsibility but you don't do what you say, and don't care if it costs my life? Then sincerely, fk you, and you deserve to be in a prison cell.

[Pesty]

blearyeyedboy said:

An EpiPen saved my life once.

I get scared eating in new places, to be honest. There are no guarantees and I take a degree of care. I'm especially careful around certain types of food. Curries are one type of meal I struggle with- you've got a meal covered in sauce, it's hard to be certain what's in it. Certain cuisines use more nuts, some use fewer- I have more choice in Italian restaurants than in Chinese places for example.

But at some point, you have to live, accepting that it carries risks. At some point, you get fed up of being the only guy eating out of Tupperware at family parties. Some of you will think I'm crackers but the social exclusion of not eating with everyone else gets to you sometimes. So, some people do unwise things from time to time, and mine is having a weakness for certain types of eating out.

That said, I'm careful to an extent, and that's the point of legislation around food allergy labels. Your food has nuts in? That's OK, I'll eat elsewhere. You think your stuff's nut free but you can't 100% be sure? That's OK, I'll make a decision and accept responsibility for what happens.

But if you say your food is nut free and you lied about it, or didn't care? If you say that you'll take responsibility but you don't do what you say, and don't care if it costs my life? Then sincerely, fk you, and you deserve to be in a prison cell.

Good post. Still always good to here from somebody who has issues. As somebody who eats anything that side wouldnt crossed my mind.

[FlyingMeeces]

mikees said:

miniman said:

I'm genuinely interested to know whether this kind of severe allergic reaction is a relatively new thing, or whether we just hear about it more readily these days. I don't recall any of my school friends being allergic to things. Was it passed off as something else, or are we genuinely becoming more sensitive to certain foodstuffs?

Ditto. I always wonder if it's in some way related to modern life and just stuff. Ditto ADHD etc though I know a lot more about this as other half teaches so understand historical context.

Same with depression and breakdowns etc. We're these so common during WW1 ? Or did we just not know and they were ignored with a "just get on with it" and the sufferers got killed. Might go and try and Google modern ailments in earlier times tho early attempts getting me nowhere. Anyone else know.?

It's st now either way.




Mike

There has been an increase in diagnoses of allergy but as with many other conditions (eg cystic fibrosis) it's almost certain that people just died of it and were misdiagnosed. If you had a terrible allergy to something and died at your first taste of it aged 2 before anyone knew what CPR was and with no health provision, you'd be assumed to have "taken a seizure" or something and that would be that. Much like people dying with anything from leukaemia to CF were assumed to be 'consumptive' (TB) - particularly pre industrial revolution.

I was peripheral to a study about the rise of ischaemic heart disease when I was much younger - I think it was taking place at the office I did my work experience in as a teenager or something, my dad worked there. And the first obvious account of a heart attack, recognisable as such by modern medics, is from something like the fifteenth or sixteenth century. Obviously undiagnosable then but really clear when viewed through today's eyes. But it only got written about at all because it happened to a nobleman.

[bigkeeko]

Fair sentence for what was gross negligence. Thing is, anyone with an allergy as severe as that poor guy had maybe should have thought twice about taking a gamble ordering from a takeaway. I`ve seen caffeine loaded coffee being dished out to someone who definitely asked for decaf and felt obliged to say. Needless to say I was an interfering so and so but some staff simply don't care and have a `f*ck it` attitude.

[BlackLabel]

Another similar case.

“Two men appear in Blackburn court over nut allergy death
Mohammed Kuddus and Harun Rashid charged with manslaughter of Megan Lee, 15, who died after allergic reaction to meal”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...