Racism and Brexit...
Discussion
hornetrider said:
FredClogs said:
a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
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hornetrider said:
TTwiggy said:
1. I honestly don't know.
Oh give over you disengenuous turnip.Ah'm oot. Said my piece.
And then you flounce! So much for grown-up debate.
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
hornetrider said:
I agree. I have a few questions. Please answer them honestly, if you would.
1. Which way do you think someone looking like this would vote?
2. Why do you think they didn't use your image of a typical Brexit voter.
3. By using this image, with someone from the BNP pointing aggressively at a racial minority, what message do you think they are trying to get across?
4. I believe you are voting remain. Which is fine, btw. Looks like only remain voters are in denial about the true nature of this advert.
I'm voting out and I don't see the fuss. The paranoia and persecution complex of some on the "out" side of the argument really is a sight to behold.1. Which way do you think someone looking like this would vote?
2. Why do you think they didn't use your image of a typical Brexit voter.
3. By using this image, with someone from the BNP pointing aggressively at a racial minority, what message do you think they are trying to get across?
4. I believe you are voting remain. Which is fine, btw. Looks like only remain voters are in denial about the true nature of this advert.
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
Disastrous said:
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
If you're not hands-in on the comment autopsies in the Soovy thread, you're nit-picking about "
s" that you come across in everyday life.It's the universal definition of a circle-jerk.
This faux bewilderment just makes you look even bigger t
ts.Smiler. said:
Disastrous said:
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
If you're not hands-in on the comment autopsies in the Soovy thread, you're nit-picking about "
s" that you come across in everyday life.It's the universal definition of a circle-jerk.
This faux bewilderment just makes you look even bigger t
ts.Anyway, as far as I know, only TTwiggy is active on this thread and CTF but I can assure you we haven't discussed it.
In fact, if we had, I'd have hoped he'd have pointed out that I'd missed the small print in the ad referencing the Referendum! Where were you on that one TTwiggy?? Eh??
Disastrous said:
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
eta I wouldn't call it an advert either but that would be nitpicking.
Edited by alfie2244 on Thursday 26th May 15:47
alfie2244 said:
Disastrous said:
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
eta I wouldn't call it an advert either but that would be nitpicking.
Edited by alfie2244 on Thursday 26th May 15:47
That aside, I still maintain it's a message to just vote, not to vote a certain way. I don't have any needs around this though so not sure what you mean - I don't have an interest in being one thing or the other.
Disastrous said:
alfie2244 said:
Disastrous said:
Sam All said:
Disastrous said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sam All said:
The usual suspects - no doubt a few more inbound. The objective of the ad is clear, but some will want to look elsewhere.
'The usual suspects' LOL. Bunch of numpties get wound up about poster encouraging minorities to vote.
If by 'usual suspects'
You think understanding an advert is playing thick?
eta I wouldn't call it an advert either but that would be nitpicking.
Edited by alfie2244 on Thursday 26th May 15:47
That aside, I still maintain it's a message to just vote, not to vote a certain way. I don't have any needs around this though so not sure what you mean - I don't have an interest in being one thing or the other.
hornetrider said:
FredClogs said:
a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
Google said:
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OBV Home Page said:
ON THURSDAY 23 rd JUNE , THE EUROPEAN UNION (EU) REFERENDUM WILL TAKE PLACE. IT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE UK SHOULD REMAIN IN THE EU. THE REFERENDUM WILL PROVIDE A RARE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE UK , AND IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DECISIONS IN BRITAIN FOR A GENERATION.
OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
Furthermore there is a link to a leaflet, that in bullet points explains the major issues and where each campaign stands. OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
No scare stories, no made up figures. By either side. Rather simple explanation. No calls to 'Vote Leave' or 'Vote Remain'.
You see that guy is a BNP supporter and a represents Out voters, of the people who I met who'll vote Out, not a single one looks like that. Could it possibly be that you are judging by your own social circle?
Some posters are being a bit cute. It reminds me of that silly woman Sally Bercow pretending that asking why Lord McAlpine was trending (smily face) was not libellous .... Remind me again how those protestations of innocence ended?
Yes of course you can point to the picture and draw all sorts of conclusions. But S+S are far too good an agency to not have done this deliberately.
The little old Asian lady appears to be on the receiving end of a tirade from crew cut headed young white man. That much is clear.
The politics of the young man could be orientated in any number of ways, but the "uniform" he wears - jeans, T shirt, DMs, red braces etc, coupled with his physical attributes and the stance he is taking when addressing the Asian lady suggests extremely strongly that he is of BNP / NF persuasion. If S+S had intended there to be any ambiguity in this they could have used any number of other white male images for that side of the see saw. They could even have used the same young man, smiling and not gesturing aggressively. Had S+S wished to convey the brow beating element (rather than the physical threat) they could have used an older, suit wearing person brandishing academic
books etc. But they didn't. So why use the BNP type image?
The text on the advert makes it clear that the encouragement to vote is in relation to the EU referendum. Probably the biggest issue linked to the referendum is that of Immigration.
So, taking it all together, we have a thug of BNP type appearance, shouting at an Asian lady, in the context of voting in the EU referendum within which Immigration is a massive voter issue.
The message I think the poster clearly gives is that the since the BNP want an end to immigration, and they want out of the EU, so then she will be next out the door if Brexit wins.
Now some contributors will no doubt get even cuter and claim I am projecting my own feelings etc, ( i.e., the race card!) but that tactic is just a smoke screen and is as disingenuous as Mrs Bercow.
So lets all be grown ups eh?
Yes of course you can point to the picture and draw all sorts of conclusions. But S+S are far too good an agency to not have done this deliberately.
The little old Asian lady appears to be on the receiving end of a tirade from crew cut headed young white man. That much is clear.
The politics of the young man could be orientated in any number of ways, but the "uniform" he wears - jeans, T shirt, DMs, red braces etc, coupled with his physical attributes and the stance he is taking when addressing the Asian lady suggests extremely strongly that he is of BNP / NF persuasion. If S+S had intended there to be any ambiguity in this they could have used any number of other white male images for that side of the see saw. They could even have used the same young man, smiling and not gesturing aggressively. Had S+S wished to convey the brow beating element (rather than the physical threat) they could have used an older, suit wearing person brandishing academic
books etc. But they didn't. So why use the BNP type image?
The text on the advert makes it clear that the encouragement to vote is in relation to the EU referendum. Probably the biggest issue linked to the referendum is that of Immigration.
So, taking it all together, we have a thug of BNP type appearance, shouting at an Asian lady, in the context of voting in the EU referendum within which Immigration is a massive voter issue.
The message I think the poster clearly gives is that the since the BNP want an end to immigration, and they want out of the EU, so then she will be next out the door if Brexit wins.
Now some contributors will no doubt get even cuter and claim I am projecting my own feelings etc, ( i.e., the race card!) but that tactic is just a smoke screen and is as disingenuous as Mrs Bercow.
So lets all be grown ups eh?
Edited by andymadmak on Thursday 26th May 16:11
andymadmak said:
The little old Asian lady appears to be on the receiving end of a tirade from crew cut headed young white man. That much is clear.
The politics of the young man could be orientated in any number of ways, but the "uniform" he wears - jeans, T shirt, DMs, red braces etc, coupled with his physical attributes and the stance he is taking when addressing the Asian lady suggests extremely strongly that he is of BNP / NF persuasion.
Some comments I have heard were suggesting that the 'thug' could just as easily be a pissed-up East EuropeanThe politics of the young man could be orientated in any number of ways, but the "uniform" he wears - jeans, T shirt, DMs, red braces etc, coupled with his physical attributes and the stance he is taking when addressing the Asian lady suggests extremely strongly that he is of BNP / NF persuasion.
jjlynn27 said:
hornetrider said:
FredClogs said:
a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
Google said:
Welcome to OBV | OBV
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
OBV Home Page said:
ON THURSDAY 23 rd JUNE , THE EUROPEAN UNION (EU) REFERENDUM WILL TAKE PLACE. IT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE UK SHOULD REMAIN IN THE EU. THE REFERENDUM WILL PROVIDE A RARE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE UK , AND IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DECISIONS IN BRITAIN FOR A GENERATION.
OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
Furthermore there is a link to a leaflet, that in bullet points explains the major issues and where each campaign stands. OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
No scare stories, no made up figures. By either side. Rather simple explanation. No calls to 'Vote Leave' or 'Vote Remain'.
You see that guy is a BNP supporter and a represents Out voters, of the people who I met who'll vote Out, not a single one looks like that. Could it possibly be that you are judging by your own social circle?
Wouldn't you?
FredClogs said:
We're constantly told that the EU is growing to represent some kind of oppresive quasi facist state by the Out people, if that's true and given the amount of right wing extremists we and other countries have elected as MEPs I'd have though a NF/BNP supporter would equally as likely vote to stay in.
Wouldn't you?
NoWouldn't you?
That would require too much thinking through by the knuckleheads in the BNP!
andoverben said:
How could the roles be reversed? they are either end of a See Saw, would it matter to you which way they are facing? From the demographics that seem to be reported surely both the lady and the thug are equally likely to vote leave, in which case their votes are equally as valid - or exactly what it says on the tin.
There does seem to be a lot of seeing outrage where there is none
I think not. What reaction do you think we would get to an ethnic minority man acting in a threatening manner to an elderly caucasian woman in an image that clearly portrays the man as acting in a thuggish manner?There does seem to be a lot of seeing outrage where there is none
Professionally offended? No, I have no desire to be spuriously offended for gain. This advert though is designed to portray a particular mindset in parts of the non-ethnic voting population which would be wholly unacceptable if the roles were reversed. To pretend otherwise is denying reality and you know that.
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