Racism and Brexit...
Discussion
jjlynn27 said:
hornetrider said:
FredClogs said:
a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
Google said:
Welcome to OBV | OBV
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
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www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
OBV Home Page said:
ON THURSDAY 23 rd JUNE , THE EUROPEAN UNION (EU) REFERENDUM WILL TAKE PLACE. IT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE UK SHOULD REMAIN IN THE EU. THE REFERENDUM WILL PROVIDE A RARE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE UK , AND IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DECISIONS IN BRITAIN FOR A GENERATION.
OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
Furthermore there is a link to a leaflet, that in bullet points explains the major issues and where each campaign stands. OF COURSE IN THIS REFERENDUM AS IN ALL ELECTIONS EVERY VOTE IS EQUAL, EVERY VOTE IS COLOUR-BLIND. OPERATION BLACK VOTE (OBV) SEEKS TO EMPOWER AND ENCOURAGE MILLIONS OF BLACK AND MINORITY ETHNIC (BME) VOTERS TO PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE AND ENGAGE IN THIS CRUCIAL DEBATE.
IN A CLOSELY FOUGHT REFERENDUM THE BLACK VOTE COULD BE A DECIDING FACTOR .
No scare stories, no made up figures. By either side. Rather simple explanation. No calls to 'Vote Leave' or 'Vote Remain'.
You see that guy is a BNP supporter and a represents Out voters, of the people who I met who'll vote Out, not a single one looks like that. Could it possibly be that you are judging by your own social circle?
Europa1 said:
In the run up to last year's General Election, OBV were similarly stating the difference the black vote could make in a close fought election. I think some Brexiters have an overdeveloped conspiracy gene.
That's good to hear - do you have a link to their campaign then esp any images utilised to get across their message. Sam All said:
Europa1 said:
In the run up to last year's General Election, OBV were similarly stating the difference the black vote could make in a close fought election. I think some Brexiters have an overdeveloped conspiracy gene.
That's good to hear - do you have a link to their campaign then esp any images utilised to get across their message. http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2015/april...
jjlynn27 said:
Not sure what is 'good to hear', but here is the link from GE campaign.
http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2015/april...
There's a lot of triggers in there, black people, wheel chairs, homosexuals (allegedly)...http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2015/april...
You've gone and done it now, it'll all be your fault...
V8mate said:
TTwiggy said:
This latest outrage confuses me. It's a campaign aimed at urging non-whites to vote. It is not a campaign designed to make them vote one way or another. So I fail to see how this is an example of 'dirty tricks' by the Remain camp.
By suggesting that they will balance out 'a particular type' who they are suggesting represents Brexit.
. The next thing is this less than bright knuckle dragger is very vocal is his views and a proper pain in the ass for the educated, cosmopolitan, the moderate and to them the advert works. If I could do anything to make that guy more angry, more dispossessed more out of touch I'd love to.
Tannedbaldhead said:
If I could do anything to make that guy more angry, more dispossessed more out of touch I'd love to.
Be careful what you wish for. This guy's vote is worth the same as yours or mine.Most of the time he can't be arsed to vote, thank goodness. Once angry and dispossessed he's going to out of sheer spite.
It's hearts and minds that any cause/movement has to win.
I think I'd like to point out that being for Brexit does not necessarily make someone racist. Just as being a member of UKIP does not necessarily require someone to be racist. Isolationist or protectionist, maybe, but not racist. Of course - there will be UKIP supporters and Brexit enthusiasts that are racist but this is not a prerequisite.
I think this poster is trying to make out that it is. Quite poor. Says nothing good.
For the record, and once again, I don't think someone is an idiot for voting either way. People who make out that you have to be an idiot to vote a specific way are just confirming something about themselves.
Don said:
For the record, and once again, I don't think someone is an idiot for voting either way. People who make out that you have to be an idiot to vote a specific way are just confirming something about themselves.
I am of the same opinion when it comes to anyone making a rational decision. I agonized over Scottish independence weighing up the pros and cons and deciding that I'd just be better of in the Union than in an Independent Scotland. I could see sense in elements of both sides of the argument.In Scotland we have our own knuckle draggers that thought the flag of the nation was the deciding factor. The EU vote has similar numpties voicing opinions. Idiots that think flags, the queen and who fought for what 70 years ago is more important than how well off they will be.
The tactics of the pro eu campaign really disgust me.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
You brexiters are such delicate little flowers.hairyben said:
The tactics of the pro eu campaign really disgust me.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
The question is will we leave soon enough to avoid the expensive SNAFU when southern Europe goes into meltdown. (Greece is small enough not to matter much, tragic though it is for the Greeks).The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
the last person who tried to 'integrate' Europe understood it perfectly;
"...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
"...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
hairyben said:
The tactics of the pro eu campaign really disgust me.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
You actually believe that Schengen & the £ will be abolished by 2020?The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
The Brexit camp are getting pretty desperate if you ask me, they are the ones promoting fear and constantly peddling falsehoods in a last ditch effort to avoid humiliation..
Jimboka said:
hairyben said:
The tactics of the pro eu campaign really disgust me.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
You actually believe that Schengen & the £ will be abolished by 2020?The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
The Brexit camp are getting pretty desperate if you ask me, they are the ones promoting fear and constantly peddling falsehoods in a last ditch effort to avoid humiliation..
That isn't comparable to implying brexiters are racists.
Jimboka said:
hairyben said:
The tactics of the pro eu campaign really disgust me.
The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
You actually believe that Schengen & the £ will be abolished by 2020?The power of fear is the best tool of the lazy corrupt scourges that run us though.
I'm somewhat standing back as I don't think we'll leave the eu regardless of which way the vote goes, the only difference is that a remain vote will be used as justification to seal our inevitable place in the eurosuperstate with schengen/abolition of the £ probably before the next general election.
The Brexit camp are getting pretty desperate if you ask me, they are the ones promoting fear and constantly peddling falsehoods in a last ditch effort to avoid humiliation..
If we stay 'in' as I'm sure we won't be allowed to actually leave. (the referendum isn't binding is it) and things get a lot better with immigration, eu rulings and the power to still govern out own country then I'll be the first to say I didn't expect that and eat humble pie.
If things get a lot worse will the remainers do the same if it comes crashing down round our ears?
If things get a lot worse will the remainers do the same if it comes crashing down round our ears?
Jimboka said:
You actually believe that Schengen & the £ will be abolished by 2020?
The Brexit camp are getting pretty desperate if you ask me, they are the ones promoting fear and constantly peddling falsehoods in a last ditch effort to avoid humiliation..
I've wavered from one side to the other a few times but regardless which side I find myself on, as I see it, the government had the responsibility at the outset to set the tone of the debate; honest, open and factual. The rag tag coalition of Brexiters were always going to end up being dragged down by the lowest common denominator in their ranks. Unfortunately the government came right out the blocks with unsubstantiated horsesThe Brexit camp are getting pretty desperate if you ask me, they are the ones promoting fear and constantly peddling falsehoods in a last ditch effort to avoid humiliation..
t about millions of job losses and an honest debate never got out the blocks. For the weight of the establishment to be whining about the underdog 'constantly peddling falsehoods' beggars belief. I wouldn't savour others 'humiliation' for too long though, it just might bite you in the ass after you win!The poster suggests to me that the main focus of this referendum for your average Brit is immigration.
If you follow any of the social media groups concerned with Brexit you'll notice that the common theme is keep Britain British. If you probe a little further, you'll quickly find that in this context, British means white.
The demographic of most of these groups appears to be your average "working class" Brit.
If you follow any of the social media groups concerned with Brexit you'll notice that the common theme is keep Britain British. If you probe a little further, you'll quickly find that in this context, British means white.
The demographic of most of these groups appears to be your average "working class" Brit.
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