Racism and Brexit...
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TTwiggy said:
skahigh said:
TTwiggy said:
I'd say the woman on the left is .... non-European
Oh the irony.How did you come to that conclusion? A racial stereotype by any chance? What would lead you to believe that she was not born and raised in Europe and would by most definitions be considered European?
skahigh said:
TTwiggy said:
skahigh said:
TTwiggy said:
I'd say the woman on the left is .... non-European
Oh the irony.How did you come to that conclusion? A racial stereotype by any chance? What would lead you to believe that she was not born and raised in Europe and would by most definitions be considered European?
"Yes"
Doesn't really butter the parsnips, does it?
skahigh said:
Disastrous said:
"How did you come to that conclusion?"
"Yes"
Doesn't really butter the parsnips, does it?
It would answer the pertinent question in my post quite succinctly."Yes"
Doesn't really butter the parsnips, does it?
"A racial stereotype perhaps?"
Why is the white person not a businessman in a suit, or a mum with a baby in her arms?
Because of the image they want to portray. Which is that people voting out want to get rid of racial minorities from the country.
Disgusting advertising, but nothing less than I'd expect from this childish campaign (on both sides). There is no intelligent debate going on at the moment.
Because of the image they want to portray. Which is that people voting out want to get rid of racial minorities from the country.
Disgusting advertising, but nothing less than I'd expect from this childish campaign (on both sides). There is no intelligent debate going on at the moment.
hornetrider said:
Why is the white person not a businessman in a suit, or a mum with a baby in her arms?
Because of the image they want to portray. Which is that people voting out want to get rid of racial minorities from the country.
Disgusting advertising, but nothing less than I'd expect from this childish campaign (on both sides). There is no intelligent debate going on at the moment.
We have rather been over this, but I'll ask again. Why do you assume the white bloke is 'Leave' and the Indian woman 'Remain'? Further, why do you assume that this advert is the work of the 'Remain' camp? (it's not, is the answer).Because of the image they want to portray. Which is that people voting out want to get rid of racial minorities from the country.
Disgusting advertising, but nothing less than I'd expect from this childish campaign (on both sides). There is no intelligent debate going on at the moment.
TTwiggy said:
I see an elderly Indian woman. It's quite easy to extrapolate imformation from that image. None of it has to be based on 'racial stereotypes'.
You took some facts about migration from the Indian sub-continent and generalised it to apply to this woman about whom you only know that she is elderly and (potentially) Indian, that is applying a stereotype.There is no requirement for stereotypes to be negative, prejudicial or even incorrect, it's still a stereotype. I personally found it amusing given the nature of your earlier posts in this thread.
This is my last response on the topic.
skahigh said:
You took some facts about migration from the Indian sub-continent and generalised it to apply to this woman about whom you only know that she is elderly and (potentially) Indian, that is applying a stereotype.
No it isn't. It's simply logic.skahigh said:
There is no requirement for stereotypes to be negative, prejudicial or even incorrect, it's still a stereotype. I personally found it amusing given the nature of your earlier posts in this thread.
I'm so happy to have amused you. Sadly for you though, my posts on this subject have been entirely consistent.skahigh said:
This is my last response on the topic.
I bet it isn't.
king quick to get offended by this. TTwiggy said:
Why do you assume the white bloke is 'Leave' and the Indian woman 'Remain'?
Because the white person they have chosen is clearly meant to represent someone from the BNP. You have two eyes, right? And they work?TTwiggy said:
Further, why do you assume that this advert is the work of the 'Remain' camp? (it's not, is the answer).
Where did I say that? I bemoaned the level of debate on both sides of the argument. It seems like the 'no side of the argument' is debating at the same level.Apropos of nothing, I googled OBV.
Their google link?
Google said:
Welcome to OBV | OBV
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
Entirely neutral to the debate, I'm sure.
As a point of order, I haven't read the whole thread, which campaign did release this image and did they make any explanation of what it was trying to say.
I, perhaps stereotypically, assumed the jist was "don't let fascist tell you what to do, get out and vote" and can't really understand which campaign would do this but it seems that the message could be from either side.
I, perhaps stereotypically, assumed the jist was "don't let fascist tell you what to do, get out and vote" and can't really understand which campaign would do this but it seems that the message could be from either side.
hornetrider said:
TTwiggy said:
Why do you assume the white bloke is 'Leave' and the Indian woman 'Remain'?
Because the white person they have chosen is clearly meant to represent someone from the BNP. You have two eyes, right? And they work?TTwiggy said:
He is not, I would feel confident in stating, anyone's idea of what a typical 'Leave' voter looks like.
I agree. I have a few questions. Please answer them honestly, if you would.1. Which way do you think someone looking like this would vote?
2. Why do you think they didn't use your image of a typical Brexit voter.
3. By using this image, with someone from the BNP pointing aggressively at a racial minority, what message do you think they are trying to get across?
4. I believe you are voting remain. Which is fine, btw. Looks like only remain voters are in denial about the true nature of this advert.
FredClogs said:
As a point of order, I haven't read the whole thread, which campaign did release this image and did they make any explanation of what it was trying to say.
I, perhaps stereotypically, assumed the jist was "don't let fascist tell you what to do, get out and vote" and can't really understand which campaign would do this but it seems that the message could be from either side.
I just read the article, I'm afraid I fall into the stereotypical knee jerk PH'er commenting on something before I read the facts.I, perhaps stereotypically, assumed the jist was "don't let fascist tell you what to do, get out and vote" and can't really understand which campaign would do this but it seems that the message could be from either side.
It's as I surmised, a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
Disastrous said:
Is the ad not about 'voting in general' rather than a stay/leave thing?
Genuinely?
I just don't see it as even being about the EU, let alone siding with a particular campaign.
Err genuinely?....does it not say something about the EU referendum being on the 23rd of June and register to vote before the 7th?Genuinely?
I just don't see it as even being about the EU, let alone siding with a particular campaign.
alfie2244 said:
Disastrous said:
Is the ad not about 'voting in general' rather than a stay/leave thing?
Genuinely?
I just don't see it as even being about the EU, let alone siding with a particular campaign.
Err genuinely?....does it not say something about the EU referendum being on the 23rd of June and register to vote before the 7th?Genuinely?
I just don't see it as even being about the EU, let alone siding with a particular campaign.
That said, I still see the message as 'there's a referendum coming up - you should all vote!' rather than something more agenda-led.
hornetrider said:
TTwiggy said:
He is not, I would feel confident in stating, anyone's idea of what a typical 'Leave' voter looks like.
I agree. I have a few questions. Please answer them honestly, if you would.1. Which way do you think someone looking like this would vote?
2. Why do you think they didn't use your image of a typical Brexit voter.
3. By using this image, with someone from the BNP pointing aggressively at a racial minority, what message do you think they are trying to get across?
4. I believe you are voting remain. Which is fine, btw. Looks like only remain voters are in denial about the true nature of this advert.
2. They didn't use my image as it's not a campaign centered on the Brexit issue. It's a general campaign to encourage people to use their vote.
3. They are trying to get across the message that when it comes to voting, everyone gets a voice and that voice cannot be silenced by threats.
4. Not really a question... But no, I'm not in denial, I just believe I understand the true purpose of this (non-partisan) advert.
FredClogs said:
a campaign by operation black vote to get ethnic minorities to register to vote and use their vote - completely non partisan to the in or out question.
Google said:
Welcome to OBV | OBV
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
www.obv.org.uk/
Organisation dedicated to enabling the African British and Asian British communities claim their places in European politics.
?Contact - ?About Us - ?News & Blogs
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