RIB with 19 on board intercepted at 2am off Kent coast

[cptsideways]

We also used to have a large & frequently positioned coastal watch posts dotted all along the coast. Manned by the coastguard types. Now all gone bar the odd one or two. Only gotten rid of recently too.

Really can't be that hard to manage, without it we are just a lame duck, quite literally. I'd say for the desperate buying a boat

In 10 years of boating, only once have we been stopped by the coastguard to check if we had any illegals on board, we were waterskiing at the time off of Poole

Anyway here's some cheap boats for sale in France, its not hard to find one & on a nice day potter over

http://www.ebay.fr/sch/Bateaux-a-moteur/119189/i.h...

[WestyCarl]

AJS- said:

You can however ensure that there is a good enough chance of getting caught and serious enough consequences if you do that it isn't worth the risk. If the "risk" is getting picked up by the coastguard and getting across anyway, why not give it a go?

So what would the consequences be for a family with no documentation and how would you communicate this to all the countries they come from.

There is something inherently sad about people with virtually nothing who are willing to risk everything to get to a "better" country, and the people in that country trying to keep them out.

[Puggit]

Gandahar said:

Apparently if we leave the EU we lose any chance of catching them before they get here because we have some presence over in Calais at the moment.

Reminds me of Dunkirk. We did ok after buggering off.

Not true - that is a UK/France agreement, although France could cancel it with 2 years notice. Another lie from the Remain camp. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/03/cal...

[matchmaker]

cptsideways said:

We also used to have a large & frequently positioned coastal watch posts dotted all along the coast. Manned by the coastguard types. Now all gone bar the odd one or two. Only gotten rid of recently too.

Really can't be that hard to manage, without it we are just a lame duck, quite literally. I'd say for the desperate buying a boat

In 10 years of boating, only once have we been stopped by the coastguard to check if we had any illegals on board, we were waterskiing at the time off of Poole

Anyway here's some cheap boats for sale in France, its not hard to find one & on a nice day potter over

http://www.ebay.fr/sch/Bateaux-a-moteur/119189/i.h...

HMCG don't inspect vessels for illegal cargo (human or otherwise).

[rscott]

Puggit said:

Gandahar said:

Apparently if we leave the EU we lose any chance of catching them before they get here because we have some presence over in Calais at the moment.

Reminds me of Dunkirk. We did ok after buggering off.

Not true - that is a UK/France agreement, although France could cancel it with 2 years notice. Another lie from the Remain camp. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/03/cal...

Where have British Remain supporters claimed that? Your link only seems to quote the French.

[danllama]

TTwiggy said:

You cannot police the entire coast and you cannot police the whole channel/north sea. That said, I don't imagine a large number of people will cross this way as an open-boat navigation of the channel or north sea is not a pleasant experience.

You are extremely naive.

[Kermit power]

TTwiggy said:

Kermit power said:

You would imagine wrong. Yes, the French system is often far more generous than ours, but claimants almost always have to meet criteria such as time in work before becoming eligible to claim them. All claimants - whether immigrant or otherwise - have to meet these criteria, which is why they're not breaking EU law by imposing them on immigrants from other EU countries. Peversely, it's also why the Scots have to provide free University education to Spaniards, Germans et al, but can charge the English & Welsh.

I remember seeing a table somewhere a while back which showed criteria for access to benefits and to public healthcare across all EU countries. Only the UK provided immediate access in both categories.

Then it's a failure of UK government then.

Exactly! That's why successive governments have been so happy to let people bleat on about the evil EU. It distracts them from actually turning the spotlight on the government, and forcing them to grasp the nettle of benefits and the like.

What we really need is WW3, or something similar to provide a reason for a government of national unity, so that they can then solve the problem without having to worry about getting re-elected!

[Kermit power]

danllama said:

TTwiggy said:

You cannot police the entire coast and you cannot police the whole channel/north sea. That said, I don't imagine a large number of people will cross this way as an open-boat navigation of the channel or north sea is not a pleasant experience.

You are extremely naive.

Do you have any statistics to support your claim? If not, then there's just as much chance that you're the naive one for believing what the Daily Wail tells you.

[dandarez]

TTwiggy said:

cptsideways said:

Back on topic, this I see as a major issue that will require some manpower to cull. There are thousands of cheap boats available, there are no licence rules to buy or own one, plenty are capable to cross the channel with some fuel.

Only the major ports have any type of controls, everywhere else is wide open.

You cannot police the entire coast and you cannot police the whole channel/north sea. That said, I don't imagine a large number of people will cross this way as an open-boat navigation of the channel or north sea is not a pleasant experience.

Neither I suspect is crossing the Med!

Do you know how many have navigated the Channel to date?
Exactly, nobody does.

If the boat at Dymchurch had not got into trouble nobody would have been any the wiser. They'd now be inland. How many have 'got through' successfully? Nobody knows.

One local Essex guy who worked nights says he reckons migrants, or whatever you like to call them, have been coming in for the last year. Once off shift he walks his dog along the shore and said the penny never dropped until this recent escapade ...each night in the early hours walking his dog he would hear outboard motors just out at sea, just thinking nothing apart from fishing vessels, then realised this last week they have lights!

Another interesting point is the call to Coast Guard - it came not from those in trouble, but from migrants in Calais! How TF did they have the Coast Guard contact here so quickly? And please don't say they searched the net and found it!

[AJS-]

WestyCarl said:

AJS- said:

You can however ensure that there is a good enough chance of getting caught and serious enough consequences if you do that it isn't worth the risk. If the "risk" is getting picked up by the coastguard and getting across anyway, why not give it a go?

So what would the consequences be for a family with no documentation and how would you communicate this to all the countries they come from.

There is something inherently sad about people with virtually nothing who are willing to risk everything to get to a "better" country, and the people in that country trying to keep them out.

What are the consequences for anyone arrested committing a crime and then refusing to cooperate with the authorities even as faras identifying themselves?

Locked in a detention centre until they can be identified, tried for the crimes they have committed and punished accordingly. Then returned to their own country or a refugee camp which will accept them and blacklisted for future applications.

I find something sad about a country suspending all the laws and standards that make it better to assuage some misplaced sense of guilt, and so holding out a false promise to those desperate enough to attempt such a stupid venture that a warm welcome in the land of plenty awaits them if they succeed.

[WestyCarl]

AJS- said:

Locked in a detention centre until they can be identified, tried for the crimes they have committed and punished accordingly. Then returned to their own country or a refugee camp which will accept them and blacklisted for future applications.

I'm not sure blacklisting people and returning them "somewhere" will act as a deterrent for people who are willing to risk their and their families life to get somewhere better.

[speedyman]

I watched a report on the bbc this morning regarding children being schooled in a migrant camp in france. They showed the huts the kids were living in and I quote "living in the next hut are a group of people smugglers"

Now if this information is available why are they not being arrested? No wonder there is a problem with such complacency on behalf of the authorities.

[AJS-]

At least it's a deterrent rather than providing an incentive as we are currently.

[rscott]

speedyman said:

I watched a report on the bbc this morning regarding children being schooled in a migrant camp in france. They showed the huts the kids were living in and I quote "living in the next hut are a group of people smugglers"

Now if this information is available why are they not being arrested? No wonder there is a problem with such complacency on behalf of the authorities.

At a guess, lack of evidence..

[Mrr T]

AJS- said:

Locked in a detention centre until they can be identified, tried for the crimes they have committed and punished accordingly. Then returned to their own country or a refugee camp which will accept them and blacklisted for future applications.

Since they have no papers how do you indenity them?

[AJS-]

Mrr T said:

Since they have no papers how do you indenity them?

As I said, until they can be identified. If they prefer to remain ina detention centre then so be it. Children could be taken into care depending on the circumstances.

[dudleybloke]

WestyCarl said:

I'm not sure blacklisting people and returning them "somewhere" will act as a deterrent for people who are willing to risk their and their families life to get somewhere better.

What about if we catch them a second time we fk with them a bit.
From Iraq, we send you to Chad. From Zimbabwe, we send you to Outer Mongolia.

[Digga]

Kermit power said:

Do you have any statistics to support your claim? If not, then there's just as much chance that you're the naive one for believing what the Daily Wail tells you.

TBF, without wanting to cast aspersions, illegals are a bit sketchy on the whole official paperwork and form-filling thing, you know, so to anyone who does claim to have 'actual' figures on this I'd call "bullst!".

[Kermit power]

Digga said:

Kermit power said:

Do you have any statistics to support your claim? If not, then there's just as much chance that you're the naive one for believing what the Daily Wail tells you.

TBF, without wanting to cast aspersions, illegals are a bit sketchy on the whole official paperwork and form-filling thing, you know, so to anyone who does claim to have 'actual' figures on this I'd call "bullst!".

Indeed so, but equally anyone claiming naivety on either side is also spouting bks, as nobody actually knows.

[Digga]

Kermit power said:

Digga said:

Kermit power said:

Do you have any statistics to support your claim? If not, then there's just as much chance that you're the naive one for believing what the Daily Wail tells you.

TBF, without wanting to cast aspersions, illegals are a bit sketchy on the whole official paperwork and form-filling thing, you know, so to anyone who does claim to have 'actual' figures on this I'd call "bullst!".

Indeed so, but equally anyone claiming naivety on either side is also spouting bks, as nobody actually knows.

Anecdotally, immigrants have been crossing the Channel and gaining entry to the UK for years, possibly a decade or so now, just because there's not some quango or state department rubber-stamping numbers to validate the matter does not change the actual facts.