RIB with 19 on board intercepted at 2am off Kent coast
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I blame the French for having worse food and drink than in the UK.
It's no wonder they keep swimming the channel when we have Fray Bentos pies in a tin rather than champers and truffles.
Of course some of my cooking exploits on the PH FDR have travelled to deepest darkest africa, so who can blame them.
Doing BBQ ribs soon, with full picture content.
Expect an in-rush of aborginees from Texas.
It's no wonder they keep swimming the channel when we have Fray Bentos pies in a tin rather than champers and truffles.
Of course some of my cooking exploits on the PH FDR have travelled to deepest darkest africa, so who can blame them.
Doing BBQ ribs soon, with full picture content.
Expect an in-rush of aborginees from Texas.
Helicopter123 said:
Back on topic, 2 more rescue ships coming back from the med. Looks like Sajid is setting up a taxi service in the channel.
If you don't like it just migrate in the fecking other direction? As Brits have done for 2 centuries to our Commonwealth. Just askin .....
Ah no, cannot be arsed. Far to warm on my seat with this keyboard.
Ron Maiden said:
Mothersruin said:
We need people to stop breeding, but no one will say so.
That is exactly the hub of the problem, and I am saying it... Too much irresponsible shagging.There isn't much in the short term that's going to stop people breeding though, other than maybe a huge asteroid strike,
Nuclear war, or a colossal disease pandemic.
The bigger demographic problem we are already facing is precisely the opposite one: too few young people to support the aging population with its expensive healthcare and unfunded pensions.
Some people say immigration is the answer and it will almost certainly be part of it in the short term but if global population does peak around mid century then it won't be an answer for very long.
Controlled immigration is one thing however, simply hoping the solution will wash up on the coast via a criminal gang is ridiculous, rather like hoping for more fatal road accidents to reduce health spending.
paul.deitch said:
Don't understand what you're all so worried about. It's a miniscule number every year compared to the rest of Europe. Get a grip man!
Do you let complete strangers walk into your house ? If you lock your door I have to ask why?So why as a country should we let people in who we know nothing about, earlier in the thread iI linked to a report about Iran saying it would flooding Europe with migrants and terrorist, in your view we just let them in and everything will be fine, well what if it's not will you take responsibility?
PRTVR said:
paul.deitch said:
Don't understand what you're all so worried about. It's a miniscule number every year compared to the rest of Europe. Get a grip man!
Do you let complete strangers walk into your house ? If you lock your door I have to ask why?So why as a country should we let people in who we know nothing about, earlier in the thread iI linked to a report about Iran saying it would flooding Europe with migrants and terrorist, in your view we just let them in and everything will be fine, well what if it's not will you take responsibility?
hutchst said:
Mothersruin said:
We need people to stop breeding, but no one will say so.
You're in the wrong thread mate. The climate change thread is over there ---->The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
No doubt there are petrolheads on here who beat themselves up about the odd few carbons they emit on an annual few thousand miles of recreational sportscar hooning, but that pales into insignificance alongside the environmental footprint of a whole human, especially a Western one.
What's the migrational endgame? What do we want for the West? If no ones states this, let alone attempts to manage this, what does it mean for those of us already here?
Dr Jekyll said:
Digga said:
It really does not make it any less true.
The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Can you think of a country that had a higher quality of life when it had half it's current population?The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Dr Jekyll said:
Digga said:
It really does not make it any less true.
The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Can you think of a country that had a higher quality of life when it had half it's current population?The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Such general data rarely captures the effects of increasing overcrowding either. It is very much the boiling frog scenario - most people don't notice consciously - and those worst affected will see far more detriment that those lucky enough to be away from, or financially above the areas of impact.
Seems to be a bit of an argy bargy in the Channel. Complaints from crews that Border Force are behaving in an un-seamanlike manner by switching off their AIS tracker transmissions because of evidence that people traffickers are tracking them over the internet on smartphone apps. Commercial shipping is complaining that this increases risk because some no longer keep watch and rely exclusively on their radar and AIS for collision prevention.
Suspect that Border Force will be doing what some of these knockers should be doing, looking out of the effing windows. Yes I do appreciate that the size of some traffic means the auto systems are good at tracking and predicting potential conflicts much earlier than mk1 eyeball. Imo not keeping proper lookout is more un-seamanlike.
Suspect that Border Force will be doing what some of these knockers should be doing, looking out of the effing windows. Yes I do appreciate that the size of some traffic means the auto systems are good at tracking and predicting potential conflicts much earlier than mk1 eyeball. Imo not keeping proper lookout is more un-seamanlike.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Controlled immigration is one thing however, simply hoping the solution will wash up on the coast via a criminal gang is ridiculous, rather like hoping for more fatal road accidents to reduce health spending.
Yes, the problem is that the mainstream media and most politicians don't seem to get get the idea of *controlled* immigration vs *unrestricted* immigration.If you want to stop random people flooding into the country then you are a xenophobic racist and apparently don't support allowing anyone to immigrate into the country for any reason. It's quite bizarre.
It's clear that plenty of people want to get into the UK for various reasons, the idea is to sort out the ones that are going to be useful and productive and bring them in via a proper system of immigration whilst keeping unskilled economic migrants who are unlikely to contribute much in the overall scheme of things, out. Not such a difficult concept to grasp yet all discussion about immigration on the mainstream media boils down to accusing anyone who wants immigration control of wanting to keep everyone out.
Lucas Ayde said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Controlled immigration is one thing however, simply hoping the solution will wash up on the coast via a criminal gang is ridiculous, rather like hoping for more fatal road accidents to reduce health spending.
Yes, the problem is that the mainstream media and most politicians don't seem to get get the idea of *controlled* immigration vs *unrestricted* immigration.If you want to stop random people flooding into the country then you are a xenophobic racist and apparently don't support allowing anyone to immigrate into the country for any reason. It's quite bizarre.
It's clear that plenty of people want to get into the UK for various reasons, the idea is to sort out the ones that are going to be useful and productive and bring them in via a proper system of immigration whilst keeping unskilled economic migrants who are unlikely to contribute much in the overall scheme of things, out. Not such a difficult concept to grasp yet all discussion about immigration on the mainstream media boils down to accusing anyone who wants immigration control of wanting to keep everyone out.
Helicopter123 said:
Good point, but equally we do have a vocal minority of racists in this country and it's important that they are not given a platform simply in the interests of balance.
I don't hold with the 'no platform' BS - it's been used to silence way too much debate. Let people say what they want to say and make your argument against it instead of trying to conflate genuine concerns about economic migrants/ false asylum seekers with racist xenophobia.Helicopter123 said:
Back on topic, 2 more rescue ships coming back from the med. Looks like Sajid is setting up a taxi service in the channel.
What should he do instead? Leave them in the Med and wait for a boatload or two to to come a cropper in the world's busiest shipping area? That'll play out well, I'm sure. Dr Jekyll said:
Digga said:
It really does not make it any less true.
The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Can you think of a country that had a higher quality of life when it had half it's current population?The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
REALIST123 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Digga said:
It really does not make it any less true.
The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Can you think of a country that had a higher quality of life when it had half it's current population?The more problems you observe, the more most of them stem from the same cause; human proliferation.
Quality of life is significantly higher in 2019 with a population of c. 65m.
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