RIB with 19 on board intercepted at 2am off Kent coast
Discussion
danllama said:
Kermit power said:
The NHS currently costs around £2,000 per annum for every single man, woman and child in the country, and it's only going up.
The State Pension costs around £2,800 per person, and it's going up even faster.
The remainder of our welfare bill excluding pensions is around £3,000.
So just on those things alone, before we consider defence, infrastructure projects, policing or anything else, we're looking at nearly £8k for every man, woman and child to run the country.
Thing is, not every man, woman or child is a taxpayer, are they? I worked the above out using a population of roughly 60 million, but only half that number are taxpayers, so just health and welfare alone are costing £16k per taxpayer per annum.
And you think I'm the one with my head stuck in the sand???
The government must bloody love you!!! You just keep telling yourself that some Albanians in a boat are our biggest problem, 'cause heaven forbid you'd look at the state of the nation's finances, upon which the impact of migrants is but a mosquito bite!
If things carry on the way they are now, how long do you think it will be before the good people of Albania are complaining about people slipping over the border with Montenegro, carrying their only possessions in a couple of battered Waitrose Bags for Life?
Immigration into this country is completely and utterly trivial compared to the way in which the generations since the war have voted for an endless succession of governments telling them they can have everything they want, because their children and grandchildren will pay for it. Well guess what? We're very close to the point at which those grandchildren are going to be saying "f
k you, you made your own mess, sort it out yourselves, because we're off to live somewhere without the insane tax burden you've assumed we're going to carry for you".
AND HOW IS ALLOWING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF USELESS IMMIGRANTS IN TO THE COUNTRY GOING TO HELP WITH ANY OF THAT?The State Pension costs around £2,800 per person, and it's going up even faster.
The remainder of our welfare bill excluding pensions is around £3,000.
So just on those things alone, before we consider defence, infrastructure projects, policing or anything else, we're looking at nearly £8k for every man, woman and child to run the country.
Thing is, not every man, woman or child is a taxpayer, are they? I worked the above out using a population of roughly 60 million, but only half that number are taxpayers, so just health and welfare alone are costing £16k per taxpayer per annum.
And you think I'm the one with my head stuck in the sand???
The government must bloody love you!!! You just keep telling yourself that some Albanians in a boat are our biggest problem, 'cause heaven forbid you'd look at the state of the nation's finances, upon which the impact of migrants is but a mosquito bite!
If things carry on the way they are now, how long do you think it will be before the good people of Albania are complaining about people slipping over the border with Montenegro, carrying their only possessions in a couple of battered Waitrose Bags for Life?
Immigration into this country is completely and utterly trivial compared to the way in which the generations since the war have voted for an endless succession of governments telling them they can have everything they want, because their children and grandchildren will pay for it. Well guess what? We're very close to the point at which those grandchildren are going to be saying "f
k you, you made your own mess, sort it out yourselves, because we're off to live somewhere without the insane tax burden you've assumed we're going to carry for you". Start with the basics shall we? If we can't secure our own borders, we're just s
t.You raise a valid question, and I suspect you're right, in that allowing hundreds of thousands of useless immigrants into the country probably wouldn't help with any of that.
So it's a good thing that the vast majority of immigrants coming in aren't useless, isn't it?
Sure, some of them will be useless, but taken as an overall group, pretty much every single study and piece of analysis you'll be able to find online will tell you that migrants to this country are, overall, net contributors to the coffers.
In terms of impact in specific areas....
The vast majority of immigrants are of working age or below, so won't be claiming a State Pension, so no impact there, and if immigrants pay into the pot, why shouldn't they receive the same pension in the future as someone born here? The problem is the size of pension provision overall, not that of any given individual or section of society, and we desperately need more people to pay for the Ponzi scheme at the moment!
With regards to Welfare, why should supporting some feckless layabout from Burnley make me feel better than supporting one from Bulgaria? Getting hung up on where someone was born in this instance just strikes me as thoroughly odd. Our homegrown work shy are far, far more of a burden than immigrants, but they - the ones from the EU, at least - could actually serve a really valuable purpose here. You know how Farage and chums have trumpeted the fact that the EU won't let us restrict benefits for the newly arrived as a reason for not being in the EU? Well, how about our politicians have the guts to use it as justification for restricting benefits for our own feckless?
"In light of the millions of unemployable European scroungers the Daily Wail assures me are arriving on an hourly basis in every single port in the country, this government is today introducing legislation to prevent anyone from claiming more in benefits than they have previously contributed into the system. Oh, sorry, domestic scroungers from Dunstable and layabouts from Luton, yes, that does include you. It's this EU law thing, you see... We're not allowed to prevent them from claiming benefits that we pay to you.. Still, surely you've been paying in over the years, haven't you?"
Lastly, we have the healthcare system. Again, the tiny proportion of elderly migrants means that as a group, they have a much lower consumption of care per capita than the wider population, but what of its provision? Roughly one in four of all qualified doctors in the NHS excluding GPs are immigrants. If you ever wake up one morning and decide you want to have the Daily Wail's hand removed from its position up your backside tugging your strings, you'll have a much longer wait if you've got rid of all those useless immigrants!
But for every doctor / engineer that arrives there must be many more unskilled people that turn up.
I am sure they have said that 80% of the migrants to Syria lack any basic skills / education - they will end up straight in the ghettos so many of our big cities have.
It all comes down to knowing who is coming in and what skills they have, do we really need any more hand car washes on old petrol stations ?
I am sure they have said that 80% of the migrants to Syria lack any basic skills / education - they will end up straight in the ghettos so many of our big cities have.
It all comes down to knowing who is coming in and what skills they have, do we really need any more hand car washes on old petrol stations ?
Puggit said:
I thought our fine governments were willfully allowing in these immigrants in order to perpetuate the pension ponzi scheme? There's no attempts at closing the border so these people can enter and hey presto, there's a new layer at the bottom of the pyramid.
Indeed. Until we fix our national outgoings, we have no choice but to keep taking immigrants.Kermit power said:
Indeed. Until we fix our national outgoings, we have no choice but to keep taking immigrants.
Surely you can't actually be that retarded?Taking on millions of immigrants into a crumbling system only makes the matters worse. With closed borders we could get the house in order for everyone that is already here or as you suggest we can just continue to let the whole World in and let the problem continue to spiral out of control.
When do you think it should stop, when we have a population of 100million? 200million? Or should we just keep going until we can't move? Surely even the most liberal idiot can see that the whole World can't move to so few countries? Can you never envisage a problem at all?
Edited by rb5er on Monday 30th May 10:53
eharding said:
jonah35 said:
Go to a northern town centre in the day and you will hear as many foreign people as english people
Well, obviously...they're all Northerners.Not proper English at all.
They've had comedy indecipherable accents, bizarre local customs and deeply-held anger management issues ever since the Normans arrived from continental Europe and civilised most of the Southern half of the country.
tannhauser said:
The Moose said:
tannhauser said:
Kermit power said:
tannhauser said:
Kermit power said:
tannhauser said:
Yes plenty of those fabled doctors and engineers I'd wager. FFS. What is happening to this fking country?!
What's happening to this country is that our politicians (of all hues) have become staggeringly effective at using trivial things like a little bit of immigration - whether illegal or not - to distract the populace from the fact that they're utterly fking country?!king hopeless at addressing the important stuff, such as the astronomical cost of health, welfare & pensions for people born here.t. Dig your head out the sand - this is a Europe-wide issue, very real and happening now. We will get what is due - we have allowed this to happen.
The State Pension costs around £2,800 per person, and it's going up even faster.
The remainder of our welfare bill excluding pensions is around £3,000.
So just on those things alone, before we consider defence, infrastructure projects, policing or anything else, we're looking at nearly £8k for every man, woman and child to run the country.
Thing is, not every man, woman or child is a taxpayer, are they? I worked the above out using a population of roughly 60 million, but only half that number are taxpayers, so just health and welfare alone are costing £16k per taxpayer per annum.
And you think I'm the one with my head stuck in the sand???
The government must bloody love you!!! You just keep telling yourself that some Albanians in a boat are our biggest problem, 'cause heaven forbid you'd look at the state of the nation's finances, upon which the impact of migrants is but a mosquito bite!
If things carry on the way they are now, how long do you think it will be before the good people of Albania are complaining about people slipping over the border with Montenegro, carrying their only possessions in a couple of battered Waitrose Bags for Life?
Immigration into this country is completely and utterly trivial compared to the way in which the generations since the war have voted for an endless succession of governments telling them they can have everything they want, because their children and grandchildren will pay for it. Well guess what? We're very close to the point at which those grandchildren are going to be saying "f
k you, you made your own mess, sort it out yourselves, because we're off to live somewhere without the insane tax burden you've assumed we're going to carry for you". ked off as you are with the whole immorality of it all - also due to my own personal circumstances and concerns about my young son and his generation, and so on. The UK is f
ked, but not many can see it. So long as the plebs can "afford" their monthly payments for their mortgages, their leased white Audi S Line diesel, their latest iPhone and so on; they don't give a fk.But I also believe immigration is a very real and serious issue, not to mention the gradual Islamification of Europe.
Edited by tannhauser on Sunday 29th May 21:22
) so being the case why hang around - why not do the best thing for you and your family?The reason why you should is because you can't rely on anyone important to look after your interests so you have to.
rb5er said:
Kermit power said:
Indeed. Until we fix our national outgoings, we have no choice but to keep taking immigrants.
Surely you can't actually be that retarded?Taking on millions of immigrants into a crumbling system only makes the matters worse. With closed borders we could get the house in order for everyone that is already here or as you suggest we can just continue to let the whole World in and let the problem continue to spiral out of control.
When do you think it should stop, when we have a population of 100million? 200million? Or should we just keep going until we can't move? Surely even the most liberal idiot can see that the whole World can't move to so few countries? Can you never envisage a problem at all?
You write that, and then you ask me if I'm retarded???
The irony is strong with you, isn't it!!!
Let's shut the borders for a minute, as you've requested.
What do we have left?
A rapidly ageing population is what. One where every single day, more people are retiring, more people are starting to require treatment for chronic health conditions, and fewer people are available to pay for it.
If you think for one moment that you can stop immigration before you stop the Ponzi scheme, you're utterly deluded.
ETA... If you think the system is crumbling now, can you even begin to imagine the state the NHS would be in without immigrants?
Edited by Kermit power on Monday 30th May 17:21
You can't be that thick surely? I know the borders cant just be closed with zero immigration instantly but with so many people here we don't need more strain on the system.
Do you honestly think that most immigration is only helping the NHS rather than just putting huge strain on it?
And so as you have ignored my question I will ask it again. When will immigration be enough for your liking? When we have a population of 100million? 200million? When we can't move for the amount of people? Do you think it can just continue indefinately until the entire World has moved to just a few countries?
Go on, give us a figure..... we'd like a laugh.
I can almost see the vague reply coming already....
Do you honestly think that most immigration is only helping the NHS rather than just putting huge strain on it?
And so as you have ignored my question I will ask it again. When will immigration be enough for your liking? When we have a population of 100million? 200million? When we can't move for the amount of people? Do you think it can just continue indefinately until the entire World has moved to just a few countries?
Go on, give us a figure..... we'd like a laugh.
I can almost see the vague reply coming already....
Kermit power said:
You write that, and then you ask me if I'm retarded???
The irony is strong with you, isn't it!!!
Let's shut the borders for a minute, as you've requested.
What do we have left?
A rapidly ageing population is what. One where every single day, more people are retiring, more people are starting to require treatment for chronic health conditions, and fewer people are available to pay for it.
If you think for one moment that you can stop immigration before you stop the Ponzi scheme, you're utterly deluded.
ETA... If you think the system is crumbling now, can you even begin to imagine the state the NHS would be in without immigrants?
Edited by Kermit power on Monday 30th May 17:21
Wozy68 said:
Kermit power said:
You write that, and then you ask me if I'm retarded???
The irony is strong with you, isn't it!!!
Let's shut the borders for a minute, as you've requested.
What do we have left?
A rapidly ageing population is what. One where every single day, more people are retiring, more people are starting to require treatment for chronic health conditions, and fewer people are available to pay for it.
If you think for one moment that you can stop immigration before you stop the Ponzi scheme, you're utterly deluded.
ETA... If you think the system is crumbling now, can you even begin to imagine the state the NHS would be in without immigrants?
Edited by Kermit power on Monday 30th May 17:21
Go in on then, you explain the economics of how you're going to keep the country running.
The naive on this thread are the ones who clearly continue to believe in the magic money tree, just like their parents and grandparents before them.
I see my question has gone unanswered again. Amazing how the easily answered with a question questions are indeed answered with a question and ones like these ignored.
Indeed we are paying for all these people and their families until they are working and finally paying something back. They generally pay a pittance in tax back whilst taking child allowance, benefits, NHS, schooling, housing etc. Their main contribution is putting a little bit back into the economy on required consumables whilst the rest is sent back to their country to build a house for £30k etc. Obviously there are always exceptions (the single guy of working age with no family working to make a life for himself in Britain).
Its like kermit has never spoken to any of these people. I work in construction and so talk to them every day. I am yet to hear of the stories of how they or any of their relatives or friends are doctors or nurses here to prop up and save the NHS. Thats likely a tiny drop in the ocean of the third of a million immigrants arriving every year. I doubt even 1% of them end up working in the NHS. Would love to see the figures showing how they are saving us all
Indeed we are paying for all these people and their families until they are working and finally paying something back. They generally pay a pittance in tax back whilst taking child allowance, benefits, NHS, schooling, housing etc. Their main contribution is putting a little bit back into the economy on required consumables whilst the rest is sent back to their country to build a house for £30k etc. Obviously there are always exceptions (the single guy of working age with no family working to make a life for himself in Britain).
Its like kermit has never spoken to any of these people. I work in construction and so talk to them every day. I am yet to hear of the stories of how they or any of their relatives or friends are doctors or nurses here to prop up and save the NHS. Thats likely a tiny drop in the ocean of the third of a million immigrants arriving every year. I doubt even 1% of them end up working in the NHS. Would love to see the figures showing how they are saving us all
rb5er said:
You can't be that thick surely? I know the borders cant just be closed with zero immigration instantly but with so many people here we don't need more strain on the system.
Do you honestly think that most immigration is only helping the NHS rather than just putting huge strain on it?
And so as you have ignored my question I will ask it again. When will immigration be enough for your liking? When we have a population of 100million? 200million? When we can't move for the amount of people? Do you think it can just continue indefinately until the entire World has moved to just a few countries?
Go on, give us a figure..... we'd like a laugh.
I can almost see the vague reply coming already....
I've not got any particular desire to see more immigration. I'm just not naive or stupid enough to think that we can keep the system we have without it.Do you honestly think that most immigration is only helping the NHS rather than just putting huge strain on it?
And so as you have ignored my question I will ask it again. When will immigration be enough for your liking? When we have a population of 100million? 200million? When we can't move for the amount of people? Do you think it can just continue indefinately until the entire World has moved to just a few countries?
Go on, give us a figure..... we'd like a laugh.
I can almost see the vague reply coming already....
Make the State pension age 75 starting tomorrow, bring in rules to pay zero benefits to anyone who hadn't already paid in for at least five years before claiming and fine anyone who fails to turn up for an NHS appointment £100 and then we could probably stop immigration tomorrow.
Until then, the number of people you or I want to see migrating here is utterly irrelevant.
I can't be bothered doing your research for you, but if you take a look on the web, roughly one in four doctors in the NHS excluding GPs are Indian, so who is going to replace them?
Also, every study I can find shows that migration had a net positive impact on the economy, which we need, as we'd be sinking even faster without it.
As for your Polish women claiming benefits without having worked, that's simple to fix. You just say "no benefits to anyone who hasn't paid tax here for at least five years", and the problem is fixed. I don't want to pay benefits to anyone who hasn't contributed. I couldn't give a s
t if they're from Warsaw or Walsall. They're both just as undeserving as the other.Fix the welfare and health systems and you'll automatically fix any perceived problems with immigration. Try it the other way round, and you'll fail.
Are some on here getting confused about legal immigration and illegal immigration?
Anyway, two men (Robert Stilwell from Dartford and Mark Stribling from Farningham) have been charged with "conspiring to facilitate the entry of non-EU nationals" on the back of this RIB incident.
BBC Clicky
Anyway, two men (Robert Stilwell from Dartford and Mark Stribling from Farningham) have been charged with "conspiring to facilitate the entry of non-EU nationals" on the back of this RIB incident.
BBC Clicky
Ferchrissakes.
They bought the RIB on eBay 4 days prior for 3k.. then we charging 8k per trip.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620825/Tr...
They bought the RIB on eBay 4 days prior for 3k.. then we charging 8k per trip.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620825/Tr...
Impasse said:
Are some on here getting confused about legal immigration and illegal immigration?
Anyway, two men (Robert Stilwell from Dartford and Mark Stribling from Farningham) have been charged with "conspiring to facilitate the entry of non-EU nationals" on the back of this RIB incident.
BBC Clicky
1. Good Point.Anyway, two men (Robert Stilwell from Dartford and Mark Stribling from Farningham) have been charged with "conspiring to facilitate the entry of non-EU nationals" on the back of this RIB incident.
BBC Clicky
2. Nice to see the entrepreneurial spirit is alive and kicking in Britain.
tannhauser said:
Jonesy23 said:
Today's crowd were also Albanians.
I imagine they were coming here to maintain their country's reputation for producing fine upstanding law abiding people.
With any luck they'll be thrown out shortly ready to make the trip again.
Yes plenty of those fabled doctors and engineers I'd wager. FFS. What is happening to this fI imagine they were coming here to maintain their country's reputation for producing fine upstanding law abiding people.
With any luck they'll be thrown out shortly ready to make the trip again.
king country?!tannhauser said:
No idea - the whole western world as we know it is going down the pan. Besides, why should I have to go anywhere? A return back to some common sense and moral values would be a start.
Which period would you return to?1960's? AFTER mass immigration from the British Colonies.
1100AD? AFTER mass immigration from the Normans.
700AD? AFTER mass immigration from the Vikings.
300AD? AFTER mass immigration from the Romans.
Just wondering when was this immigrant-free and high-moral Britain you desire to return to?
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