Gorilla Shot Dead At Cincinnati Zoo After Child Falls Into E
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Might have been better if god had stopped him going in there in the first place, or magically beamed him out, without the need to shoot the animal.
If God was doing his f
king job properly we wouldn't need to be putting these animals in Zoo's would we? He could just hand wave an increase in the Gorilla population or whateverSilverSpur said:
Most modern zoos and wildlife ecology centres no longer have designs that stop humans getting into enclosures.
Gone are the days that animals are kept in cages or behind bars. Zoo visitors demand to see the animals in natural looking environments without their view being obscured by bars and fencing.
Most of the modern experiences use large/wide/deep dry moat arrangements so that the animals can be observed by the paying guests from a 'safe' high vantage point that the 'dangerous' animals cant scale/climb/jump to get out of. This allows the paying observer (the punters) to have an unobstructed view of the animals whilst remaining safely out of their reach.
The zoo visitor usually observes from behind a modest wall on top of such high wall/moat arrangements.
Do a google image search and you'll see that most modern zoos use this kind of arrangement now. They rely on the good sense of the zoo visitor to stay out of the animal enclosures, and they perhaps unwisely believe that the parents of children will stop them from trying to enter the enclosure.
examples:
Unfortunately there seems to be a `My little Johhnie can be an airline pilot/Brain surgeon/Astronaut/rock star/anything (including climber into animal enclosures) because it is his `right' attitude in some parents, even if the little johnnie in question (like some of the parents) is so thick and or wilful he barely has two functioning brains cells to put together. Gone are the days that animals are kept in cages or behind bars. Zoo visitors demand to see the animals in natural looking environments without their view being obscured by bars and fencing.
Most of the modern experiences use large/wide/deep dry moat arrangements so that the animals can be observed by the paying guests from a 'safe' high vantage point that the 'dangerous' animals cant scale/climb/jump to get out of. This allows the paying observer (the punters) to have an unobstructed view of the animals whilst remaining safely out of their reach.
The zoo visitor usually observes from behind a modest wall on top of such high wall/moat arrangements.
Do a google image search and you'll see that most modern zoos use this kind of arrangement now. They rely on the good sense of the zoo visitor to stay out of the animal enclosures, and they perhaps unwisely believe that the parents of children will stop them from trying to enter the enclosure.
examples:
It seems that any zoo`s (existent or to be built) will now have to be designed to keep stupid willful humans of any age out of the animal enclosures, but how does one design anything which will keep stupid humans safe from their own stupidity?
funkyrobot said:
The parents should be shot too. Or transported to the planet of the apes for vengeance.
A kid is a kid and the parents are responsible. No matter what anyone says, even if there were gaping holes in the enclosure. The child should never have been allowed to fall in.
I have a daughter who is nearly two. She is into everything and toddles everywhere and picks things up without a thought. If I went to a zoo with her, she wouldn't be climbing on anything (unless it was specific play equipment). As every parent knows, kids need constant attention. I wonder if the parents of the child in question were busy updating their social media feeds about the wonderful time they were having at the zoo.
Bingo. Not likely to be a popular opinion though and no doubt the feckless parents will sue the zoo and get a ton of cash for being crap at parenting. (Though the zoo definitely must take some of the fault for not securing the area properly and not having a plan to deal with emergencies like this).A kid is a kid and the parents are responsible. No matter what anyone says, even if there were gaping holes in the enclosure. The child should never have been allowed to fall in.
I have a daughter who is nearly two. She is into everything and toddles everywhere and picks things up without a thought. If I went to a zoo with her, she wouldn't be climbing on anything (unless it was specific play equipment). As every parent knows, kids need constant attention. I wonder if the parents of the child in question were busy updating their social media feeds about the wonderful time they were having at the zoo.
Lucas Ayde said:
Bingo. Not likely to be a popular opinion though and no doubt the feckless parents will sue the zoo and get a ton of cash for being crap at parenting. (Though the zoo definitely must take some of the fault for not securing the area properly and not having a plan to deal with emergencies like this).
The zoo dealt with the issue promptly and the child survived with minor injuries. I'd say they responded quickly and decisively. Other options would have had greater risk to the child. Lucas Ayde said:
funkyrobot said:
The parents should be shot too. Or transported to the planet of the apes for vengeance.
A kid is a kid and the parents are responsible. No matter what anyone says, even if there were gaping holes in the enclosure. The child should never have been allowed to fall in.
I have a daughter who is nearly two. She is into everything and toddles everywhere and picks things up without a thought. If I went to a zoo with her, she wouldn't be climbing on anything (unless it was specific play equipment). As every parent knows, kids need constant attention. I wonder if the parents of the child in question were busy updating their social media feeds about the wonderful time they were having at the zoo.
Bingo. Not likely to be a popular opinion though and no doubt the feckless parents will sue the zoo and get a ton of cash for being crap at parenting. (Though the zoo definitely must take some of the fault for not securing the area properly and not having a plan to deal with emergencies like this).A kid is a kid and the parents are responsible. No matter what anyone says, even if there were gaping holes in the enclosure. The child should never have been allowed to fall in.
I have a daughter who is nearly two. She is into everything and toddles everywhere and picks things up without a thought. If I went to a zoo with her, she wouldn't be climbing on anything (unless it was specific play equipment). As every parent knows, kids need constant attention. I wonder if the parents of the child in question were busy updating their social media feeds about the wonderful time they were having at the zoo.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems that any zoo`s (existent or to be built) will now have to be designed to keep stupid willful humans of any age out of the animal enclosures, but how does one design anything which will keep stupid humans safe from their own stupidity?
I suppose if this particular zoo starts by making enclosures that can keep out toddlers, it will be an improvement.
Halb said:
I think the zoo should have it's licence (whatever) looked at and should probably have the right to host great apes taken away from them.
Not to mention having the right to prevent thick humans from entering the zoo in the first place. They may have to have an entrance exam, in which one of the questions asked reads : will you upon entering here,(either your self, or allow those in your party for whom you hold responsibility) ignore the signs and barriers, and try to climb into an animals enclosure where you may be eaten or bashed to death? If they cannot answer that question with a no, they should not be allowed into they zoo (or anywhere for that matter)Impasse said:
The Mail are doing a hatchet job on the parents, citing the dad's past criminal record including burglary, firearms offences, drug trafficking, criminal trespass, disorderly conduct and kidnap.
The parents do report that the boy appears to be doing ok despite the mild concussion and a few scratches.
There are also idiots on Facebook abusing folk who share the same name as the mother. As well as lots of abuse being thrown at the nursery where the mother works.The parents do report that the boy appears to be doing ok despite the mild concussion and a few scratches.
The problem for such places is that it can be difficult to anticipate the depths of stupidity that some individuals aspire to, and protect the terminally stupid from their own stupidity.
I watched some such individuals climbing over the stone barrier so that they could sit on the edge of the rocks at the cliffs of Moa with their feet dangling over the edge.
had they had any intelligence they would have checked the quality of the rock they were sitting on. In some areas the rock projecting out from the cliff was a strata only 75 -100mm thick with a sheer drop to the rocks below,, it would only take a few sitting together to cause the outcrop to fracture and drop away.
Same thing at Hastings where an idiot was leaning out over the edge of the cliff using the strong inshore winds to prevent himself from going over. All it needed was a gust or drop in the wind for him to go over, which then happened, and he only just saved himself. The look of panic on the dumb tw*ts face was priceless, but surely he should have enough basic intelligence to anticipate that what had happened could do so?
Very difficult for any public place to protect and provide against that kind of stupidity
I watched some such individuals climbing over the stone barrier so that they could sit on the edge of the rocks at the cliffs of Moa with their feet dangling over the edge.
had they had any intelligence they would have checked the quality of the rock they were sitting on. In some areas the rock projecting out from the cliff was a strata only 75 -100mm thick with a sheer drop to the rocks below,, it would only take a few sitting together to cause the outcrop to fracture and drop away.
Same thing at Hastings where an idiot was leaning out over the edge of the cliff using the strong inshore winds to prevent himself from going over. All it needed was a gust or drop in the wind for him to go over, which then happened, and he only just saved himself. The look of panic on the dumb tw*ts face was priceless, but surely he should have enough basic intelligence to anticipate that what had happened could do so?
Very difficult for any public place to protect and provide against that kind of stupidity
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 31st May 12:41
Why are you comparing the behaviour of a 4yr old to that of grown adults? He's 4, on the basis that he's probably actually only had about 2 years of actual learning it's not surprising he doesn't know the answers to all of life's questions. What were your achievements at 4 years old?
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem for such places is that it can be difficult to anticipate the depths of stupidity that some individuals aspire to, and protect the terminally stupid from their own stupidity.
I refuse to accept that it's impossible for a zoo to keep dangerous wild animals in a child proof enclosure. Are we seriously saying in an age of space stations and large hadron colliders, it's beyond the wit of man to design a gorilla enclosure with security that a 4 year old cannot overcome? Oakey said:
Why are you comparing the behaviour of a 4yr old to that of grown adults? He's 4, on the basis that he's probably actually only had about 2 years of actual learning it's not surprising he doesn't know the answers to all of life's questions. What were your achievements at 4 years old?
A four year old is unlikely to have any common sense, therefore until the child is older and hopefully acquires some (but this does not always happen) his parents or guardians must provide this element of the child's upbringing. In this case they clearly did not.
Pan Pan Pan said:
A four year old is unlikely to have any common sense, therefore until the child is older and hopefully acquires some (but this does not always happen) his parents or guardians must provide this element of the child's upbringing. In this case they clearly did not.
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