Gorilla Shot Dead At Cincinnati Zoo After Child Falls Into E

[saaby93]

nellyleelephant said:

Surely normal behaviour in this case is that the enclosure is designed in such a way that a 4 year old can't get in?

Surely you should be able to take a 4 year old somewhere designed to appeal to 4 year olds that is 4 year old proof?

I think i refer you to my post you quoted above
You can only use your best endeavours to make sure a kid cant get in
( or a suicide in the linked item)
Unless you want to ban everyone i.e. sell no tickets theres a finite risk they'll circumvent whatever youve done
In those circumstances you have to decide what to do next - let the lions eat them or kill the lions
If youre protecting the few lions left on the planet surely you keep the lions?
Or here keep the Gorilla

That's not so say you won't review your security measures to see if they can be improved but you have to balance that against any effect it might have on the numbers who wouldnt try to circumvent the measures
Obviously if by now youve run out of lions and gorillas the requirement for such improvement if it's available, will be minimised

Edited by saaby93 on Monday 30th May 21:13

[GTIAlex]

Plenty of tweets from America land claiming that the Gorilla was only shot dead because the boy was white.

[BlackLabel]

GTIAlex said:

Plenty of tweets from America land claiming that the Gorilla was only shot dead because the boy was white.

The boy was black.

[Oakey]

GTIAlex said:

Plenty of tweets from America land claiming that the Gorilla was only shot dead because the boy was white.

But he's black?

Video in HD here http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/30/gorilla-holdin...

Edited by Oakey on Monday 30th May 21:31

[saaby93]

Why is there so much screaming and shouting going on - how do they think thats going to help?

Edited by saaby93 on Monday 30th May 21:53

[Sheets Tabuer]

I'm very disappointed the Gorilla was shot and if there was any other way I'd have rather they took that route but this was a 4 year old baby that got into the enclosure, it doesn't matter how or why while he's in there, all that matters is we as a species protect that small child at all costs. Not sit there and go fk him.

It would have never of dawned on that small child the danger it was in, Did it dawn on the Gorilla? maybe, maybe not but the other two moved away. Perhaps testosterone took over, there are numerous videos of Gorillas dragging people or things, perhaps it's a show of dominance but then I'm not a gorilla expert

It's extremely sad that the Gorilla lost it's life and we should do more to protect the magnificent creatures on this planet but I'll chalk this one up to fubar, a one off fked up experience with a devastating outcome.

I feel for the zoo keepers, they must be gutted.

[GTIAlex]

Oakey said:

GTIAlex said:

Plenty of tweets from America land claiming that the Gorilla was only shot dead because the boy was white.

But he's black?

Video in HD here http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/30/gorilla-holdin...

Edited by Oakey on Monday 30th May 21:31

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I said last nite the gorilla was protecting the child, them crackers just killed him Cuz he was black"

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[Abbott]

Interesting comment on Today prog this morning. A Gorilla expert made the point that even if the Gorilla had played with the toddler in the same way as he might with a very young gorilla, young gorilla are so much stronger and robust than this little boy. So even if he was gently playing he would have badly hurt the boy. Bit like the way my Mrs used to complain about the way I used to rough and tumble with my kids when they were tiny.

[Sheets Tabuer]

ash73 said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

all that matters is we as a species protect that small child at all costs..

I'd rather protect the gorilla.

Really? a small child that is part of your species, that has total innocence and will look on you for rescue, for safety, for guidance.

You'd say fk you kid?

[nellyleelephant]

Sheets Tabuer said:

ash73 said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

all that matters is we as a species protect that small child at all costs..

I'd rather protect the gorilla.

Really? a small child that is part of your species, that has total innocence and will look on you for rescue, for safety, for guidance.

You'd say fk you kid?

This is one those threads that highlight s, so don't complain. Add people to your list.

[Murph7355]

saaby93 said:

I think i refer you to my post you quoted above
You can only use your best endeavours to make sure a kid cant get in
( or a suicide in the linked item)
Unless you want to ban everyone i.e. sell no tickets theres a finite risk they'll circumvent whatever youve done
In those circumstances you have to decide what to do next - let the lions eat them or kill the lions
If youre protecting the few lions left on the planet surely you keep the lions?
Or here keep the Gorilla

That's not so say you won't review your security measures to see if they can be improved but you have to balance that against any effect it might have on the numbers who wouldnt try to circumvent the measures
Obviously if by now youve run out of lions and gorillas the requirement for such improvement if it's available, will be minimised

Your previous argument was poor. As is this one.

It''s a zoo. Plenty of zoos have gorillas whose enclosures are not possible for 4yr olds to get into. If a zoo cannot copy these enclosures, then they shouldn't keep gorillas.

The parents have hopefully also learned a lesson here.

Very sad the gorilla had to be shot, but once the kid was in the enclosure, the options narrowed.

[mjb1]

Another similar incident, in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binti_Jua. This one was a female though, which might have helped.

I think that if the gorilla wanted to harm the child it would have done pretty quickly. What it looks like to me is him dragging the boy around as a trophy. This animal has spent it's whole life trapped in a man made enclosure, stared and pointed at by human beings every single day. Suddenly he gets thrown a live one, which he knows is only a youngster, and the tables are turned for a few minutes:, in a "look at what I've got" kind of way.

Unfortunately, shooting the gorilla was probably the safest thing for the boy.

[saaby93]

Sheets Tabuer said:

ash73 said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

all that matters is we as a species protect that small child at all costs..

I'd rather protect the gorilla.

Really? a small child that is part of your species, that has total innocence and will look on you for rescue, for safety, for guidance.

It was the 'at all costs'
What would you do 'at all costs' to crocodiles?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36376227
You have to be reasonable
What are you really trying to protect, what are you trying to save?

[Murph7355]

saaby93 said:

t was the 'at all costs'
What would you do 'at all costs' to crocodiles?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36376227
You have to be reasonable
What are you really trying to protect, what are you trying to save?

You can't compare people doing "stuff" in the wild, in the creature's habitat, with a paid for attraction where the animals are meant to be kept safe and the visitors too. If the attraction can't do this , it should cease being an attraction.

[saaby93]

Murph7355 said:

You can't compare people doing "stuff" in the wild, in the creature's habitat, with a paid for attraction where the animals are meant to be kept safe and the visitors too. If the attraction can't do this , it should cease being an attraction.

We haven't seen a full report on what happened yet but wasn't it doing its best to keep everyone safe?
If despite all that, someone decides to break what's keeping them safe, whose problem is it?
Same for the guy with the lions - now shot lions
or the girl who decides to swim with crocs - not shot crocs

[Shinobi]

The Zoo messed up, the parent messed up then the Zoo messed up big time.

It's a shame the Gorilla who was"potentially" looking after the boy lost its life. No one will ever know but if rational people look at similar incidents I.e Jersey you will see this was "probably" an over reaction and was unnesacery to kill the rare Gorilla.

Once again humans create a situation and nature pays. The parents will probably write a book and get rich.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Shinobi said:

The Zoo messed up, the parent messed up then the Zoo messed up big time.

It's a shame the Gorilla who was"potentially" looking after the boy lost its life. No one will ever know but if rational people look at similar incidents I.e Jersey you will see this was "probably" an over reaction and was unnesacery to kill the rare Gorilla.

Once again humans create a situation and nature pays. The parents will probably write a book and get rich.

Given how dumb the parent/s of the child were, writing a book might be a bit beyond them. still another option would have been to shoot the parent/s, in an attempt to assist in breeding stupidity out of the gene pool.

[PurpleTurtle]

I'm probably quite unique on this thread to have been up close and personal, actually 'handled' by a gorilla in the wild.

10yrs ago this week I was in the Virunga National Park, Rwanda, seeing the mountain gorillas of 'Gorillas In The Mist' fame. A life-affirming event, but one where I came a little too close for comfort.

We tracked the group through the forest for hours and on discovering them sat at a safe distance, was awesome. The guides (with minders carrying AK47s) warned us that the babies might try to play with us, and if they did we were to show no aggression whatsoever. It was one of those Health & Safety warnings you never thing you might need. Ten minutes into us watching them, two of the babies (brothers) started having a bit of rough and tumble. It was magnificent to watch, right up until the point the elder one pushed his little bro' backwards down a grass bank. At the bottom of that grass bank was me, or more specifically, my leg. The young gorilla saw it as he gambolled past, caught onto it and tried to pull himself to his feet. Now, I'm 6ft+ and 15st, this little dude literally dragged me five or six feet from where I was standing without even trying, his strength was incredible, I was utterly powerless to resist, and stting it that his dad would soon be over to have a word! Fortunately he soon let go, but I was utterly godsmacked that such a small creature could be so strong.

In this incident that Silverback was flinging the kid around like a rag doll, I suspect spooked by the hordes of screaming Yanks who would have been a lot better advised to STFU to calm the situation down. Alas they didn't and a truly majestic creature had to be killed to save the life of the kid.

[fttm]

This ^^^^, end of topic .

[Patrick Bateman]

It's so easy to fire pot shots in hindsight. Too right the director of the zoo should stick by his decision when he says he'd do the same again.

As I said before, let's say the kid was killed, why didn't you do more to stop it happening?!!! etc.