CLINTON V TRUMP

[Fittster]

FourWheelDrift said:

Fittster said:

Shock horror, people ignore IT security policies when they are a nuisance. It happens all the time both the private and public sectors.

People don't care about IT security, they just want the job done with the least hassle.

Not it doesn't happen all the time, it might in poorly managed IT departments but this is about someone in a government who could be able to release confidential and sensitive information ahead of release (or information not suitable for public release) without official knowledge and endangering national security, it's a criminal investigation and the FBI are taking it very seriously. These aren't leaks to everyone, they are being investigated as passing information to "friends" for cash. It's called espionage and it carries a 10 year prison sentence.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 10th June 12:28

I can assure you it happens all the time in the UK in both the public and private sectors, including financial services.

As far as I can see it simply a case of someone using an email server that wasn't approved (big deal). There's no evidence of any inappropriate emails being sent. Hardly a huge scandal.

[Oceanic]

Trump is a vile st of a man who should not be allowed anywhere near the White House.

Clinton, awful women but would be at least something better than Trump.

I feel sorry for the Americans, no real decent choice there.

[matsoc]

It is seems almost unbelievable that both sides had a so poor lineup of proposed candidates in the primary season to end up with these two.

Trump is dangerous and Clinton is so weak he often struggled to win versus a 74 years old socialist!

[Blaster72]

matsoc said:

It is seems almost unbelievable that both sides had a so poor lineup of proposed candidates in the primary season to end up with these two.

Trump is dangerous and Clinton is so weak he often struggled to win versus a 74 years old socialist!

He? You do know Hillary is female

[unrepentant]

matsoc said:

Trump is dangerous and Clinton is so weak he often struggled to win versus a 74 years old socialist!

I think you'll find Clinton is a she. Good to see you keep up with world affairs though.

Sanders is socialist lite. By British standards he's somewhere to the right of Blair and the left of Cameron.

[matsoc]

Blaster72 said:

matsoc said:

It is seems almost unbelievable that both sides had a so poor lineup of proposed candidates in the primary season to end up with these two.

Trump is dangerous and Clinton is so weak he often struggled to win versus a 74 years old socialist!

He? You do know Hillary is female

It was typing error but actually the first husband could have more than word on her policies, especially about the economy...

[matsoc]

unrepentant said:

matsoc said:

Trump is dangerous and Clinton is so weak he often struggled to win versus a 74 years old socialist!

I think you'll find Clinton is a she. Good to see you keep up with world affairs though.

Sanders is socialist lite. By British standards he's somewhere to the right of Blair and the left of Cameron.

Yes, I know, but Sanders has proclamed himself a socialist many times for years, the word alone is not the best way to gather global consensus in a country like US.

[TankRizzo]

Clinton the least worst option. A sad indictment of the state of US politics.

[Ste1987]

Timmy40 said:

Trump all the way. He may look and think like an Orangutan but he will be surrounded by advisors who won't let him to anything too stupid.

Well they wouldn't let Obama ban guns, so....

[irocfan]

Oceanic said:

Trump is a vile st of a man who should not be allowed anywhere near the White House.

Clinton, awful women but would be at least something better than Trump.

I feel sorry for the Americans, no real decent choice there.

this ^^^

[rodericb]

eatcustard said:

Trump for me, anything to shake the establishment up is good in my books

Same here. Vote in the usual suspects and the US will continue on its downward slope for sure.

[unrepentant]

matsoc said:

Yes, I know, but Sanders has proclamed himself a socialist many times for years, the word alone is not the best way to gather global consensus in a country like US.

To be completely accurate he calls himself a "democratic socialist". He's a social democrat, certainly a leftie by the standards of this country but very soft left by UK standards.

[XM5ER]

Fittster said:

I can assure you it happens all the time in the UK in both the public and private sectors, including financial services.

As far as I can see it simply a case of someone using an email server that wasn't approved (big deal). There's no evidence of any inappropriate emails being sent. Hardly a huge scandal.

So let me understand what you mean here. VP of Barclays pops into bosses office and says. "i hope you dont mind but I've had a local computer firm knock me up a spare email server that I keep in the bathroom at home, all at my own cost. I've redirected all the emails through it so that I can pick up my personal ones on one device via the same server. What? Yes of course the security is up to the same standard as the secure work server, we loaded AVG free and malware bytes on there don't worry. No, I've nothing to hide it's just more convenient that all"

Sorry but racist, narcissism is one thing but reckless stupidity is another.

[Fittster]

XM5ER said:

Fittster said:

I can assure you it happens all the time in the UK in both the public and private sectors, including financial services.

As far as I can see it simply a case of someone using an email server that wasn't approved (big deal). There's no evidence of any inappropriate emails being sent. Hardly a huge scandal.

So let me understand what you mean here. VP of Barclays pops into bosses office and says. "i hope you dont mind but I've had a local computer firm knock me up a spare email server that I keep in the bathroom at home, all at my own cost. I've redirected all the emails through it so that I can pick up my personal ones on one device via the same server. What? Yes of course the security is up to the same standard as the secure work server, we loaded AVG free and malware bytes on there don't worry. No, I've nothing to hide it's just more convenient that all"

Sorry but racist, narcissism is one thing but reckless stupidity is another.

Person has two email accounts, one for role A and one for role B. Chances of one account being used for both purposes? Pretty high as people will take the easiest path. If you have to connect to different servers, using different accounts / passwords people get cheesed off and start using one account for as much as possible without asking themselves why they have two different accounts in the first place.

Have I seen senior executives use gmail / drop box / unencrypted devices for confidential data? All the time.

Have I seen corporate IT security policies/departments ignored? All the time.

I've very much doubt Trump spends much of his time thinking about best practices for IT security.

[XM5ER]

Fittster said:

Person has two email accounts, one for role A and one for role B. Chances of one account being used for both purposes? Pretty high as people will take the easiest path. If you have to connect to different servers, using different accounts / passwords people get cheesed off and start using one account for as much as possible without asking themselves why they have two different accounts in the first place.

Have I seen senior executives use gmail / drop box / unencrypted devices for confidential data? All the time.

Have I seen corporate IT security policies/departments ignored? All the time.

I've very much doubt Trump spends much of his time thinking about best practices for IT security.

I doubt he does too, I would imagine that's what he employs a CIO for.

So why did Crooked Hillary in one of the most important political roles globally employ a local firm to set it up and not CIA/FBI/NSA or whoever the hell would have the best technology available. She should carry the nuclear handbag? With this kind of reckless decision making record, she shouldn't allowed anywhere near it. I actually think Sanders was the least worse option.

[anonymous-user]

unrepentant said:

To be completely accurate he calls himself a "democratic socialist". He's a social democrat, certainly a leftie by the standards of this country but very soft left by UK standards.

He's about as socialist as Cameron. Completely incomparable to the dribbling fvckwit Corbyn.

[MadMullah]

Fittster said:

I really don't get why anyone cares about the email issue.

In lots of organisation when faced with a clunky IT systems departments / teams / individuals comes up with alternatives. IT department has a sulk and that's about it.

generally I don't think anyone would but this is not generally - this is election year and the way the election has gone so far and with previous elections - they'll be promoting the issues with the other person rather than saying i'm the right guy.

i just feel it shows a certain dishonesty and to a point negligence.

[Jasandjules]

Fittster said:

Shock horror, people ignore IT security policies when they are a nuisance. It happens all the time both the private and public sectors.

People don't care about IT security, they just want the job done with the least hassle.

Funny, in my old bank it was instant dismissal.

We took security quite seriously... And that was only money/clients not even minor issues like National Defence...

[unrepentant]

Jasandjules said:

Fittster said:

Shock horror, people ignore IT security policies when they are a nuisance. It happens all the time both the private and public sectors.

People don't care about IT security, they just want the job done with the least hassle.

Funny, in my old bank it was instant dismissal.

We took security quite seriously... And that was only money/clients not even minor issues like National Defence...

It's really a small issue that's been blown out of all proportion by the GOP. She admitted that it was a mistake, it was done with the intent of making her emails more secure (governments leak like sieves) not less but with hindsight she'd do it differently. Colin Powell and Condi Rice also used private email when at State but the GOP and Clinton haters are surprisingly silent on that.

[Countdown]

DrDeAtH said:

Trump may say stupid things, however, he does know how business works, which may work in his favour.

Apart from the bankruptcies, and the accusations of fraud....