Labour MP Jo Cox Shot

[Trevatanus]

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Perhaps waiting for armed response to confirm they could enter the scene?

[Digga]

Horrific. It appears another person - male - was also injured, less seriously, although Sky News reports are a little bit unclear.

There is no excuse for this. This isn't the sort of country anyone - leave or remain - wants to live in and I hope the perpetrator has been actually caught, as reports say.

[Gecko1978]

named as Tommy Mair....

[Derek Smith]

andrewrob said:

15 minutes could be to do with it being a gun though surely wouldn't it? I'd imagine they'd have to wait before they would be allowed in by the police

15 mins for a helicopter to arrive isn't a timing to criticise. I doubt they would have had it in readiness or even flying for a surgery. My experience is that the van ambulance arrives first and then they call for it.

[andrewrob]

Derek Smith said:

andrewrob said:

15 minutes could be to do with it being a gun though surely wouldn't it? I'd imagine they'd have to wait before they would be allowed in by the police

15 mins for a helicopter to arrive isn't a timing to criticise. I doubt they would have had it in readiness or even flying for a surgery. My experience is that the van ambulance arrives first and then they call for it.

I meant a normal ambulance 15 minutes. Didn't realise they were talking about the air one

[toohuge]

What a terrible thing to happen.

I do hope she pulls through.

[Eric Mc]

I don't normally quote myself but this is what I said on another thread only this morning -


"The sooner this vote is out of the way the better. I don't care what the outcome is anymore. I just want this neanderthal style aggressiveness and outright rudeness to stop.

It is absolutely depressing and reveals to me just how many sub-intelligent morons exist in this country".

[don4l]

People are now questioning whether the attacker acctually shouted "Britain First".

[MarshPhantom]

Sam All said:

Mr_B said:

Vote Leave have suspended campaigning.

Tragic event, but knee-jerk reaction by the Leave campaign.

Would you prefer everyone carry on as if nothing has happened?

[Derek Smith]

andrewrob said:

Derek Smith said:

andrewrob said:

15 minutes could be to do with it being a gun though surely wouldn't it? I'd imagine they'd have to wait before they would be allowed in by the police

15 mins for a helicopter to arrive isn't a timing to criticise. I doubt they would have had it in readiness or even flying for a surgery. My experience is that the van ambulance arrives first and then they call for it.

I meant a normal ambulance 15 minutes. Didn't realise they were talking about the air one

Sorry. I didn't mean it as a criticism. If I appeared sharp it was because I'm quite shocked by this.

[mph1977]

Nanook said:

Derek Smith said:

15 mins for a helicopter to arrive isn't a timing to criticise. I doubt they would have had it in readiness or even flying for a surgery. My experience is that the van ambulance arrives first and then they call for it.

That's not what they were reporting though. 15 mins before the ambulance arrived, not the air ambulance.

Which is perhaps normal, maybe the needed police to clear the area first, maybe they're quite far from a hospital, I'd just assumed that when they hear the phrase 'gun-shot' they'd be on it, right away.

But that's not important right now, so I'm sorry for mentioning it.

the location of the hospitals has nothing to do with - birstall isn;t that far from dewsbury hospital ( and Dewsbury YAS station - it being on the hospital site or perhaps more pointedly one of YAS other locations where specialist personnel are based ) equally it;s not that far from Carr Gate WYP where Force Support are based ... i don;t know where the nearest ARV would have been but in the absence of of a specific threat the answer will be ' probably somewhere in N Kirklees / West Wakefield or it might a Bradford based one)

however the SOP of the ambulance service when responding to shooting is wait for confirmation from the police that it is safe to enter the scene -

[johnxjsc1985]

Eric Mc said:

It is absolutely depressing and reveals to me just how many sub-intelligent morons exist in this country".

Maybe we should be more worried about these than any immigrant. The level of anger people have bottled up these days is quite frightening.

[JawKnee]

boxxob said:

Considering that current reports suggest she wasn't the intended target, I don't know why there is so much being read in to it. Granted, this may change but at present I suspect we'll be hearing things such as: long-term mental illness; obsessive delusional fantatist; warnings ignored

Which reports are those? All I've read so far is that she has been shot, stabbed and the man was shouting "Britain First" so its quite clear why so much is being read into it.

Also, why are you so keen to profile the attacker? We have no clue about his background at this current stage.

[mph1977]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Eric Mc said:

It is absolutely depressing and reveals to me just how many sub-intelligent morons exist in this country".

Maybe we should be more worried about these than any immigrant. The level of anger people have bottled up these days is quite frightening.

Indeed , and it;s remarkable how many of them of all ages do not link their actions to societies' reaction to them ...

[Eric Mc]

boxxob said:

Hardly worthy of patting yourself on the back for the apparent insight.

Believe me, there is no self congratulation at work. I have felt for a while that the "Leave Campaign" (but not exclusively) has had an air of hysteria about it all along and it does have supporters who are borderline mental. I think something like this was probably on the cards.

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 16th June 16:30

[FurtiveFreddy]

Eric Mc said:

I don't normally quote myself but this is what I said on another thread only this morning -


"The sooner this vote is out of the way the better. I don't care what the outcome is anymore. I just want this neanderthal style aggressiveness and outright rudeness to stop.

It is absolutely depressing and reveals to me just how many sub-intelligent morons exist in this country".

Completely agree. If anything good is to come out of this terrible incident it will be the politicians and media scaling down on their constant scaremongering and bickering about this bloody referendum.

I don't agree with your last post though Eric. To single out one side is wrong. They are both as bad as each other.

[AJL308]

JawKnee said:

Which reports are those? All I've read so far is that she has been shot, stabbed and the man was shouting "Britain First" so its quite clear why so much is being read into it.

Also, why are you so keen to profile the attacker? We have no clue about his background at this current stage.

Initial reports suggested that she'd walked into an existing argument between two men.

I don't think anyone is 'keen' to profile the attacker. They are just saying what appears to be the case. I've done the same. You can get an impression from age, appearance, what was alleged to have been said, etc. People don't act in a vacuum - they apply facts from previous events to try to fathom current ones. It's human nature.

[Eric Mc]

boxxob said:

Even the edited addition in parentheses, it is a ridiculous thing to say.

Why?

Hysteria breeds further hysteria - and then bad things happen.

Those campaigning on both sides should have tried to calm the debate down a bit - instead of ramping up the fear factor more and more with each passing day.

They have a lot to answer for , in my opinion.

[Derek Smith]

Press conference at 17.00 according to reports. It is unusually prompt. Might be some concern about copycat or retaliation. There is the rather obvious third option.

[cirian75]

Yeah :/

something was going to happen, it was just a question of when and where ?