Discussion
Efbe said:
turbobloke said:
Kolbenkopp said:
Pretty surprised also that in the UK nobody seems to have an action plan. You ask the citizens a binary question. There's only two outcomes. Would have been clever to be ready for both, no?
Definitely but we only have CMD's word that there's no plan and that may have been spin to strengthen a self-fulfilling prophecy that fell on its ass shortly before CMD fell on his.The BoE Governor said they had a plan if I heard correctly when his speech was covered in the media.
The mandarins may well have been busy on Option B with CMD nonchalantly pretending there was only Option A. If he really did prevent any work on planning for Brexit then he was a fool and we're even more well rid of him.
though it will not be aided by junker acting quite so childishly currently!
Although rather than head off, sod off would do...
P5BNij said:
Eric Mc said:
I really wanted us to "Remain". That wasn't to be. Therefore, there is no point and whinging about the result. In some ways, I kind of feel a sort of "giddy excitement" as to what the future may hold. It's a very strange feeling to be honest but I'm not going to the let the fact that my choice didn't win out get me all depressed.
I'm certainly not going to flee the country. I've invested too much time and effort into living here.
We are now in new world and we'd better get used to it.
This is pretty much what Digby Jones said this morning on the Beeb... whichever way we voted we all just need to knuckle down, keep a level head and get on with it. For a while he thought he'd vote Remain but when it came down to the wire he decided it was about democracy more than anything else and voted Leave, as did I for the same reason. He rightly pointed out that had the vote gone the other way, then the Leave side would have to accept that democracy won the day, just as Remainers should do so now.I'm certainly not going to flee the country. I've invested too much time and effort into living here.
We are now in new world and we'd better get used to it.
Life will go on, so get on with it.
You can "not break" a thing and then later break it - it's harder to break a thing and then later decide not to tho.
Democracy isn't about silencing others - it's not about winners and losers. More people wanted to leave than stay so that means the Govt should seek to Leave - but it doesn't mean people cannot continue to voice their opinions and "Leave" isn't a simple thing, it's an enormously complex thing.
Pro-Leave Tories are already talking 'EEA' and 'Norway' - exactly what their campaign said wouldn't happen (EEA means freedom to move/live/work) - much has yet to be decided and people should keep talking and trying to understand (ideally they'd have done this before voting but most people are far too stupid to do that)
It's not impossible that the Tories will fail to form a stable Govt leading to a GE and someone will win on a 'ignore the referendum' mandate - politics can be funny like that!
This "it's over, move on" mentality can f
k off tho - unless you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant, selfish xenophobes " in which case it's an option for-sure.Edited by 405dogvan on Saturday 25th June 16:24
405dogvan said:
This "it's over, move on" mentality can fk off tho - unless by move on you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant xenophobes and greedy morons" in which case, good plan!
No, it means get over the fact that the referendum that we eventually held, after 40 f'in years, didn't end the way you would have liked. By all means lobby, legally, to try and make things more to your liking.k off tho - unless by move on you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant xenophobes and greedy morons" in which case, good plan!Who knows, in 40 years it might work out for you.
Kolbenkopp said:
alfie2244 said:
I saw Junker stated "this won't be an amicable divorce"...why not? Is it not better to say sad, shame etc, not what we wanted but respect your wishes and do pop round for a cuppa if you are in the area any time? (ring 1st obviously)
Regarding Juncker: I think the guy is a jerk as much as the next self-obsessed Eurocrat. It's amazing how out of touch they have become with the electorate in their less than democratic and very comfortable bubble. But the cold hard truth is that the UK is about to become a competitor to the EU. The divorce will likely be as amicable as the balance of economic power is at the time of negotiations.We want you to keep buying BMWs and spending money on holidays. But we don't want your financial services industry. We also don't want another tax-haven competing for businesses. If your economy stays strong and you keep buying things, then the bargaining position is stronger. If the UK economy tanks then it is not. If the EU zone gets into big trouble post-Brexit then then your position is stronger...
Nobody really knows what is about to happen and that's not ideal. Hence I think it is in the best interest of the UK (and the EU) to hurry up and reassure investors.
It will take a couple of years to sort out and during that time the only group profiting (economically) is going to be the lawyers. Dynasties will be founded on the paperwork that needs to be created now. Bit of a mess and Í really wish the exit scenario would have been thought through and prepared (in co-operation with the EU) *before* the referendum. It would have made more clear what people are voting for. And the negative impact to both economies could have been minimized.
Pretty surprised also that in the UK nobody seems to have an action plan. You ask the citizens a binary question. There's only two outcomes. Would have been clever to be ready for both, no?
"Would have been clever to be ready for both, no?" 100% correct except very few, including me, actually though it would be an emphatic "NO"
405dogvan said:
This "it's over, move on" mentality can fk off tho - unless you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant, selfish xenophobes " in which case it's an option for-sure.
You prove once again that the ignorance lies with you and your lack of understanding as to why 'your side' lost the referendum!k off tho - unless you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant, selfish xenophobes " in which case it's an option for-sure.I think "Remain" missed a trick.
I just got back from a late lunch with some mates. One of them has a good friend who owns half of the tobacco shops in Adinkerke on the Belgian border. He made the point that once the UK is out of the EU, the cheap fags/booze trips will come to an end. Financially he isn't worried - he's already made enugh money for 10 lifetimes, but he made a good point.
Given that every non-UK cigarette could been said to cost the UK twice - once in lost tax revenue, and then in the increased burden placed on the NHS, it would be very attractive for the UK government to have this loophole plugged, and easy to sell to the non-smoking members of the general public.
If Remain had made Brexiters aware that they could end up paying UK prices for their smokes, I wonder how many people would have changed their votes?
I just got back from a late lunch with some mates. One of them has a good friend who owns half of the tobacco shops in Adinkerke on the Belgian border. He made the point that once the UK is out of the EU, the cheap fags/booze trips will come to an end. Financially he isn't worried - he's already made enugh money for 10 lifetimes, but he made a good point.
Given that every non-UK cigarette could been said to cost the UK twice - once in lost tax revenue, and then in the increased burden placed on the NHS, it would be very attractive for the UK government to have this loophole plugged, and easy to sell to the non-smoking members of the general public.
If Remain had made Brexiters aware that they could end up paying UK prices for their smokes, I wonder how many people would have changed their votes?
sunbeam alpine said:
Given that every non-UK cigarette could been said to cost the UK twice - once in lost tax revenue, and then in the increased burden placed on the NHS, it would be very attractive for the UK government to have this loophole plugged, and easy to sell to the non-smoking members of the general public.
If we leave the Single Market then, yes, that will stop (it isn't really a "loophole").On the other hand, you'll get Duty Free back.
don'tbesilly said:
fatboy18 said:
wilwak said:
So, we're now facing recession and uncertainty it seems.
Is it time to have a "Buy British" campaign? Even a 3% swing from imported goods to British ones would boost uk business and uk jobs.
Buy British potatoes at the supermarket rather than imported ones? Simples! Everyone can help. Every little switch will make a difference. Just do it.
The public have made a choice and no matter which way we individually voted we ALL need to make this work together.
Think positive and move forward. Moaning will get us nowhere. The more we moan and grumble the worse it will be.
How do we all make this work? Not by panicking.
We can still be great friends with Europe. We can still like Europe.
Great post Is it time to have a "Buy British" campaign? Even a 3% swing from imported goods to British ones would boost uk business and uk jobs.
Buy British potatoes at the supermarket rather than imported ones? Simples! Everyone can help. Every little switch will make a difference. Just do it.
The public have made a choice and no matter which way we individually voted we ALL need to make this work together.
Think positive and move forward. Moaning will get us nowhere. The more we moan and grumble the worse it will be.
How do we all make this work? Not by panicking.
We can still be great friends with Europe. We can still like Europe.
We've just been to Tesco and made the effort. I bought British beers rather than my usual foreign brand. We bought UK ham rather than our usual overseas brand. We picked fruit and veg that were from the UK. We even bought toothpaste that was made here rather than overseas. It was easy and quite refreshing.
Holidays. We're going to skip a foreign package holiday or cruise next year and do a driving tour of the Lake District and Peak District. Something we've always fancied.
Yes, small things, but if everyone made the effort it could just help keep us away from the dreaded recession that we are now facing.
We need a 'It's made in Britain" thread so we can share what find! I was quite surprised looking at packets what was and what wasn't!
Let's make it work!
sidicks said:
405dogvan said:
This "it's over, move on" mentality can fk off tho - unless you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant, selfish xenophobes " in which case it's an option for-sure.
You prove once again that the ignorance lies with you and your lack of understanding as to why 'your side' lost the referendum!k off tho - unless you mean "move on to a country not filled with ignorant, selfish xenophobes " in which case it's an option for-sure.Worse still, people were angry and wanted to air their grievances (classic mid term election) - sadly most of those grievances are nothing to do with the referendum and even those which are, may well have be been made worse (see the entirity of Wales for a good example)
I do know what happened - I'm only slightly surprised that people are dumber (and more xenophobic and more selfish) than I'd hoped.
and it's not over by any means - wait until the Tories form a plan to enter the EEA (which means we still have to follow the rules but have no say in making them) for things to get interesting...
405dogvan said:
I understand exactly what happened - we asked ignorant (the vast majority of people have no idea what the EU is/does let alone the effects of being in/out of it) people for their opinion on something - that seldom ends-well but is mostly checked by apathy - but that didn't happen here.
Worse still, people were angry and wanted to air their grievances (classic mid term election) - sadly most of those grievances are nothing to do with the referendum and even those which are, may well have be been made worse (see the entirity of Wales for a good example)
I do know what happened - I'm only slightly surprised that people are dumber (and more xenophobic and more selfish) than I'd hoped.
Still wrong, no matter how many times you state it. It's quite clear that you don't understand what the majority of people voting for Brexit wanted - you call other people ignorant when it's clear the ignorance is with you!Worse still, people were angry and wanted to air their grievances (classic mid term election) - sadly most of those grievances are nothing to do with the referendum and even those which are, may well have be been made worse (see the entirity of Wales for a good example)
I do know what happened - I'm only slightly surprised that people are dumber (and more xenophobic and more selfish) than I'd hoped.
405dogvan said:
and it's not over by any means - wait until the Tories form a plan to enter the EEA (which means we still have to follow the rules but have no say in making them) for things to get interesting...
We have no say at the moment - see the results of Cameron's recent ' negotiations'.wilwak said:
Well seriously...
We've just been to Tesco and made the effort. I bought British beers rather than my usual foreign brand. We bought UK ham rather than our usual overseas brand. We picked fruit and veg that were from the UK. We even bought toothpaste that was made here rather than overseas. It was easy and quite refreshing.
Holidays. We're going to skip a foreign package holiday or cruise next year and do a driving tour of the Lake District and Peak District. Something we've always fancied.
Yes, small things, but if everyone made the effort it could just help keep us away from the dreaded recession that we are now facing.
We need a 'It's made in Britain" thread so we can share what find! I was quite surprised looking at packets what was and what wasn't!
Let's make it work!
Why not be properly British and go abroad, steal everything to ship back here, enslave all the people and appoint yourself Emperor? ;0We've just been to Tesco and made the effort. I bought British beers rather than my usual foreign brand. We bought UK ham rather than our usual overseas brand. We picked fruit and veg that were from the UK. We even bought toothpaste that was made here rather than overseas. It was easy and quite refreshing.
Holidays. We're going to skip a foreign package holiday or cruise next year and do a driving tour of the Lake District and Peak District. Something we've always fancied.
Yes, small things, but if everyone made the effort it could just help keep us away from the dreaded recession that we are now facing.
We need a 'It's made in Britain" thread so we can share what find! I was quite surprised looking at packets what was and what wasn't!
Let's make it work!
We buy 9 times more than we sell - you'll need to do better than a pack of beers and some apples (UK apples that are barely in season and in a few months you'll be down to a spuds and cabbage diet)
and since we're on a motoring forum, do buy a completely British made car and run it on completely made British Fuel (impossible?) - don't go electric obv because there are no British companies supplying that...
sidicks said:
We have no say at the moment - see the results of Cameron's recent ' negotiations'.
"Here you are Boris - you fked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Maybe you saw this just as a "we're tired of the way the EU works" - that isn't how it's coming-across tho, I do not belive for a second that's what people voted for.
Leave is even anti-British ofc - because it almost certainly means the end of Britain so we should probably just say "proud to be English(Welsh)" and be done with it?
405dogvan said:
"Here you are Boris - you fked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?
I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Except they didn't. So why you keep claiming this nonsense is beyond me.ked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
405dogvan said:
Maybe you saw this just as a "we're tired of the way the EU works" - that isn't how it's coming-across tho, I do not belive for a second that's what people voted for.
It's quite clear that 'what you believe' often has no basis in reality!405dogvan said:
Leave is even anti-British ofc - because it almost certainly means the end of Britain so we should probably just say "proud to be English(Welsh)" and be done with it?
If you say so.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th June 17:14
sidicks said:
405dogvan said:
"Here you are Boris - you fked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?
I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Except they didn't. So why you keep claiming this nonsense is beyond me.ked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Of the leave voters I was able to speak to in work on Friday the majority of them cited immigration and the NHS as the reasons they voted leave.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that that small sample is statistically relevant though.
Blayney said:
Maybe he's saying it based off his personal experience?
Of the leave voters I was able to speak to in work on Friday the majority of them cited immigration and the NHS as the reasons they voted leave.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that that small sample is statistically relevant though.
Being concerned about uncontrolled immigration is certainly not xenophobic!Of the leave voters I was able to speak to in work on Friday the majority of them cited immigration and the NHS as the reasons they voted leave.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that that small sample is statistically relevant though.
Efbe said:
ofc there is a plan
though it will not be aided by junker acting quite so childishly currently!
Of course there's a plan, it's to make Britain great again and get back control! It can't fail because we are a nation of hard working entrepreneurs, held back by those nasty bureaucrats in Brussels for all these years, just watch this country fly now that the shackles are off. though it will not be aided by junker acting quite so childishly currently!
The shock on Michael Gove's face betrayed the fact that there really is no plan, which in itself is no great surprise, the BoE will have a contingency plan in place but I reckon that's about it. The real tragedy here is that all those people on the poverty line, who blamed immigration for their woes and voted accordingly, will probably find out that their lives are no better outside the EU.
405dogvan said:
"Here you are Boris - you fked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?
I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Maybe you saw this just as a "we're tired of the way the EU works" - that isn't how it's coming-across tho, I do not belive for a second that's what people voted for.
Leave is even anti-British ofc - because it almost certainly means the end of Britain so we should probably just say "proud to be English(Welsh)" and be done with it?
excuse me for asking, but how the fked it, you give it the reacharound" is the only negotiation left surely?I maintain all this "sovereignty" argument IS xenophobic - let alone the glaring fact that the majority of people voted to over immigration which is about as xenophobic as it's possible to be.
Maybe you saw this just as a "we're tired of the way the EU works" - that isn't how it's coming-across tho, I do not belive for a second that's what people voted for.
Leave is even anti-British ofc - because it almost certainly means the end of Britain so we should probably just say "proud to be English(Welsh)" and be done with it?
k do you know the definative reason that the majority of people voted to opt out? Its already been shown several times that polls are about as reliable and as much use as a chocolate tampon, and the press serve their own agenda....anything to sell papers...and the BBC has hardly ever been anything but one sided.
Just because the press makes a big deal of certain issues doesnt make it so, even when it does suit your argument.
I know many many people who voted out and of them not one voted on immigration issues alone. Anyone who thinks that the majority of the rest of the country is racist purely because they didnt vote the way they wished is quite obviously an idiot.
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