Discussion
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to s
t post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. sidicks said:
Many saw the USD as overvalued prior to the referendum given their economic situation.
Which it probably was, had the vote gone the other way we'd probably be seeing rates of 1.60 against the USD by now, instead the dollar has strengthened further because in a very uncertain market it's safer than the alternatives (especially GBP).Stickyfinger said:
youngsyr said:
Now compare that to where we were before the referendum was announced - it's the definition of instability.
We were under the yoke of an unelected bureaucracy presiding over a castrated EU Parliament which only functions by doing deals behind closed doors.To me that is unstable and unsustainable, so your correct but not why you think.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 1st July 16:36
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to st post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to st post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. What was expected from pre-referendum volatility was a falling GBP, and a reaction that would take the FTSE 100 down temporarily (it's already risen higher than before the vote). One or two finance firms who financially supported Remain were going to flounce anyway.
The main benefit, more powers in Westminster (than would otherwise have been the case) over more decisions in more areas won't be tangible for 2 to 3 years at the earliest.
Only those who didn't have even the most basic grip on A50 were expecting instant gratification which was never on the cards and which was inevitably going to allow disappointed Remainians to get sarcy.
Conflating everything is an obvious ploy.
Stickyfinger said:
We were under the yoke of an unelected bureaucracy presiding over a castrated EU Parliament which only functions by doing deals behind closed doors.
To me that is unstable and unsustainable, so your correct but not why you think.
Unlike the democratically elected civil service that we have here? To me that is unstable and unsustainable, so your correct but not why you think.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 1st July 16:36
You are right about the deals done behind closed doors, that's how the world works I'm afraid; in Europe, in the UK, in business. Presumably none of our own MPs are engaged in backroom deals in the current leadership battles??
The irony of all that is that the yoke that you refer to ultimately had very little power (made a lot of noise, which made for easy and lazy headlines) and only did what they were told to do by the democratically elected politicians of each of the member states.
London424 said:
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to st post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. [X] Cameron would resign
[X] Tories descend into bloody leadership election
[X] Credit rating would be slashed
[X] Sturgeon would push for new Scottish independence referendum
[X] No plan for reducing immigration
[X] Trump would declare joy at vote
[ ] I would have chinese takeaway for dinner
Still, 6 out of 7 isn't too bad for Project Fear, is it?
youngsyr said:
London424 said:
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to st post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. [X] Cameron would resign
[X] Tories descend into bloody leadership election
[X] Credit rating would be slashed
[X] Sturgeon would push for new Scottish independence referendum
[X] No plan for reducing immigration
[X] Trump would declare joy at vote
[ ] I would have chinese takeaway for dinner
Still, 6 out of 7 isn't too bad for Project Fear, is it?
What about:
Mortage going up
Interest rates up
FTSE 100 obliterated
Border with France will move to Dover
How are those ones getting on?
ben5575 said:
Stickyfinger said:
We were under the yoke of an unelected bureaucracy presiding over a castrated EU Parliament which only functions by doing deals behind closed doors.
To me that is unstable and unsustainable, so your correct but not why you think.
Unlike the democratically elected civil service that we have here? To me that is unstable and unsustainable, so your correct but not why you think.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 1st July 16:36
You are right about the deals done behind closed doors, that's how the world works I'm afraid; in Europe, in the UK, in business. Presumably none of our own MPs are engaged in backroom deals in the current leadership battles??
The irony of all that is that the yoke that you refer to ultimately had very little power (made a lot of noise, which made for easy and lazy headlines) and only did what they were told to do by the democratically elected politicians of each of the member states.
What ever happens, I will not sell my arse for euros, full stop
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 1st July 17:08
ben5575 said:
The irony of all that is that the yoke that you refer to ultimately had very little power (made a lot of noise, which made for easy and lazy headlines) and only did what they were told to do by the democratically elected politicians of each of the member states.
Like most of the remainers you are not looking further down the line. The path that the EU is taking will finish with no individual countries or their parliaments but only the EU high command. Do you think it is best to get away from that part now or later?London424 said:
youngsyr said:
London424 said:
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
That's a matter of opinion, and while you're entitled to yours concerning the ballsup, there are plenty of people who worked out that they didn't want to stay in the EU and whether anyone else approves of their reason(s) is irrelevant. The issue was rightly put to the people and the outcome is that we're leaving the EU.
It seems to me that there were a lot of clever people who wanted out of the EU and knew things would turn to st post-Brexit, so they dismissed any warnings from experts as 'project fear' and made all kinds of outrageous claims (£300m/week to the NHS for example) safe in the knowledge that most people were too thick to realise that it was bks. [X] Cameron would resign
[X] Tories descend into bloody leadership election
[X] Credit rating would be slashed
[X] Sturgeon would push for new Scottish independence referendum
[X] No plan for reducing immigration
[X] Trump would declare joy at vote
[ ] I would have chinese takeaway for dinner
Still, 6 out of 7 isn't too bad for Project Fear, is it?
What about:
Mortage going up
Interest rates up
FTSE 100 obliterated
Border with France will move to Dover
How are those ones getting on?
Remind me which of the Leave campaign's promises/predictions have come true?
Tycho said:
Like most of the remainers you are not looking further down the line. The path that the EU is taking will finish with no individual countries or their parliaments but only the EU high command. Do you think it is best to get away from that part now or later?
I think that Tesco's are doing a roaring trade in tin foil...youngsyr said:
What's your point - is it that because the Remain campaign couldn't predict the future with 100% accuracy, everyone should have voted leave?
Remind me which of the Leave campaign's promises/predictions have come true?
Leave is a long term action to protect your sovereignty and democratic rights.Remind me which of the Leave campaign's promises/predictions have come true?
"predict the future", remind me.....how many days ?
Stickyfinger said:
youngsyr said:
What's your point - is it that because the Remain campaign couldn't predict the future with 100% accuracy, everyone should have voted leave?
Remind me which of the Leave campaign's promises/predictions have come true?
Leave is a long term action to protect your sovereignty and democratic rights.Remind me which of the Leave campaign's promises/predictions have come true?
"predict the future", remind me.....how many days ?
Some really interesting arguments being put forward by the pro Leave side on here.
ben5575 said:
Tycho said:
Like most of the remainers you are not looking further down the line. The path that the EU is taking will finish with no individual countries or their parliaments but only the EU high command. Do you think it is best to get away from that part now or later?
I think that Tesco's are doing a roaring trade in tin foil...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
Tycho said:
ben5575 said:
Tycho said:
Like most of the remainers you are not looking further down the line. The path that the EU is taking will finish with no individual countries or their parliaments but only the EU high command. Do you think it is best to get away from that part now or later?
I think that Tesco's are doing a roaring trade in tin foil...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
Anyone would think you were trying to mislead us.
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