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[speedy_thrills]

TheSleepingCat said:

Maybe one day, but now? The EU heads want the UK out as quick and as painfully as possible, they want us to suffer as a warning to anyone else who thinks about leaving. They are already trying to enforce acts through vague wording and will seek to push the UK out of any beneficial trade arrangement and pull every financial power out of London and into Frankfurt with immediate effect.

Europe is going to do everything it can to make the UK bleed over this and now we are are on the outside our only counter argument is 'please don't, if you leave us with enough money we can still buy some BMWs'.

The EU is clearly now looking towards an expedient conclusion rather than a prolonged negotiation, you may recall there are other pressing issues within the EU and the UK is just a very small part of that right now. They don't want to be seen as impeding the UK with a long exit procedure that's unlikely to end on amicable terms.

[turbobloke]

chrispmartha said:

Not by me, the level of childishness surrounding the whole thing is really dissapointing

Agreed.

It's been disappointing since the start of the campaigns, and the leaders of each particularly CMD share a heavy burden of responsibility. His idea of treating the electorate as children was childish.

[alfie2244]

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

[CrutyRammers]

s3fella said:

gottans said:

Agreed that currencies do move all the time and everyone is still standing, my point is the timing of an increase in fuel prices will make it more noticeable. More so to people where £1.50 does matter to them.

I don't need your kind offer but if you wish to part with £1.50 then please donate it to a homeless charity or foodbank for those less fortunate than either of us.

So why was no one moaning of the near 5p increase in April then?

You keep digging, but you are getting nowhere.

There's uncertainty ahead, but your prediction for next week even if true will have less effect than just market forces did just 2 months ago.

Get some perspective. Then if you really DO need to start worrying, you will be able to focus on what to properly worry about!!

Indeed. I recall petrol being 1.50 a litre not so long ago, and getting there from a pound in a very short space of time. Yet everything seemed to carry on pretty much as normal, aside from some people driving more slowly on the motorway. But now 3p is going to cause massive problems?
People have short memories. Really short.

[PositronicRay]

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

[don'tbesilly]

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

Just 'merely' then.

According to some it's causing armageddon, and you say 'merely'!

Geez.

[confused_buyer]

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

They can't throw us out. We can hang around and make a pain of ourselves for as long as we liked. That is why it is very sensible not to start the clock ticking.

Juncker really is a tit though. He was a known idiot when picked and only settled on as a compromise no one liked. I think anyone else would have done s sensible deal with Cameron and the UK would have voted Remain.

He's still talking rubbish. He is a EU Commission President who has lost one of the largest members on his watch. If he had a shred of decency or humility he'd resign and if the EU leaders had any sense they'd sack him before he loses any more.

[PositronicRay]

don'tbesilly said:

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

Just 'merely' then.

According to some it's causing armageddon, and you say 'merely'!

Geez.

Plenty of people jumping around like we've left the EU already. Much, much, more stuff before or indeed if does happen.

Hardly armageddon at the moment.

[alfie2244]

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

They will have to offer us some bribes then? free Werthers for life perhaps?

But seriously what if you wanted a quick divorce without having a long drawn out, costly, vexatious legal battle dragging it out for years (as was the case of mine where both would have been far better off)...what would you do?

[Kolbenkopp]

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

No they can't. Some evaluation was made if the referendum with the leave result is actually equivalent to formally declaring the wish to exit but that did not hold up. I think it is in the best interest of the UK to speed things up though. The uncertainty isn't good for investment at all.

Only anecdotal obviously, but the company I work for has a pretty profitable UK branch. We were planning to expand operations and move to larger facilities next year. This has been put on hold Friday as there are fears the UK market will slow down. I'm sure similar things are happening elsewhere.

[JagLover]

Kolbenkopp said:

No they can't. Some evaluation was made if the referendum with the leave result is actually equivalent to formally declaring the wish to exit but that did not hold up. I think it is in the best interest of the UK to speed things up though. The uncertainty isn't good for investment at all.

A few months aren't going to make a massive difference though.

[55palfers]

Did I hear on the news at lunchtime that some Frog has said "we must begin to reform the EU?"

Why not "reform" it before Cameron came home.

[don'tbesilly]

PositronicRay said:

don'tbesilly said:

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

Just 'merely' then.

According to some it's causing armageddon, and you say 'merely'!

Geez.

Plenty of people jumping around like we've left the EU already. Much, much, more stuff before or indeed it does happen.

Hardly armageddon at the moment.

You seem to doubt it will happen (leave the EU), given the EU's statement that they want the UK gone and as soon as possible, can you explain the doubt you quite clearly have.

By the way I don't think armageddon is happening or will happen, but you don't give the referendum the seriousness of it's purpose or it's subsequent consequences for the UK, you call it an opinion poll, why?

[sunbeam alpine]

confused_buyer said:

They can't throw us out. We can hang around and make a pain of ourselves for as long as we liked. That is why it is very sensible not to start the clock ticking.

This is true. My understanding of Article 50, however, is that once it is invoked, the clock starts ticking, and we then have 2 years to get everything agreed, after which we are out, trade agreements or not, and 2 years in Europe is not long - glaciers move faster.

[andy_s]

confused_buyer said:

Juncker really is a tit though. He was a known idiot when picked and only settled on as a compromise no one liked. I think anyone else would have done s sensible deal with Cameron and the UK would have voted Remain.

There is a certain parallel between Junckers and Sepp Blatter insofar as arrogance and head-in-sand sticking is concerned.

[PositronicRay]

alfie2244 said:

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

They will have to offer us some bribes then? free Werthers for life perhaps?

But seriously what if you wanted a quick divorce without having a long drawn out, costly, vexatious legal battle dragging it out for years (as was the case of mine where both would have been far better off)...what would you do?

There was some talk of the UK becoming an associate member, whatever that means.
Don't expect anything too rapidly though.
First
a) New PM
b) Possible general election while no credible opposition (5 yrs grace and public support)
C) Period of thinking, discussion, posturing, negotiation, seeing how the economy reacts.

Maybe, if it happens issue notice end of 2017.

[alfie2244]

Kolbenkopp said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

No they can't. Some evaluation was made if the referendum with the leave result is actually equivalent to formally declaring the wish to exit but that did not hold up. I think it is in the best interest of the UK to speed things up though. The uncertainty isn't good for investment at all.

Only anecdotal obviously, but the company I work for has a pretty profitable UK branch. We were planning to expand operations and move to larger facilities next year. This has been put on hold Friday as there are fears the UK market will slow down. I'm sure similar things are happening elsewhere.

I saw Junker stated "this won't be an amicable divorce"...why not? Is it not better to say sad, shame etc, not what we wanted but respect your wishes and do pop round for a cuppa if you are in the area any time? (ring 1st obviously)

My current partner's divorce cost them less that £1k, very quick and their kids fine etc Mine was quite the reverse and the only winners were the solicitors.

I know which way is best and that doesn't include threats, recriminations etc

[PositronicRay]

don'tbesilly said:

PositronicRay said:

don'tbesilly said:

PositronicRay said:

alfie2244 said:

If we don't serve notice under Art50 fast enough for EU's liking could they not just throw us out? Or at least offer a few sweeteners to speed things up a bit

I can feel a classic oldie song coming on...apologies to our younger members ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyJgcbP7rc

We can't be thrown out, the referendum is merely a public opinion poll.

Just 'merely' then.

According to some it's causing armageddon, and you say 'merely'!

Geez.

Plenty of people jumping around like we've left the EU already. Much, much, more stuff before or indeed it does happen.

Hardly armageddon at the moment.

You seem to doubt it will happen (leave the EU), given the EU's statement that they want the UK gone and as soon as possible, can you explain the doubt you quite clearly have.

By the way I don't think armageddon is happening or will happen, but you don't give the referendum the seriousness of it's purpose or it's subsequent consequences for the UK, you call it an opinion poll, why?

It is serious, public opinion is. A PM should ignore public opinion at their peril, so it's all been delayed. DC said he'd act upon the referendum results, he has, he's resigned.

At the beginning of the Leave campaign Boris was on record as saying we should use a "Leave" vote as a renegotiation tool then call a second referendum.

Make of that what you will.

Edited by PositronicRay on Saturday 25th June 14:34

[Norfolkit]

55palfers said:

Did I hear on the news at lunchtime that some Frog has said "we must begin to reform the EU?"

Why not "reform" it before Cameron came home.

Because they didn't believe we'd vote non.

[alfie2244]

Norfolkit said:

55palfers said:

Did I hear on the news at lunchtime that some Frog has said "we must begin to reform the EU?"

Why not "reform" it before Cameron came home.

Because they didn't believe we'd vote non.

In fairness I was more hopeful than confident myself.