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kurt535 said:

that made me smile ))

A bit of positivity after a long day

[sidicks]

405dogvan said:

What happens if Scotland leaves the EU/stays in the UK and the only electable party continues to oppose that - how, exactly, does a country do one thing which having a Govt which pledges the opposite??

Who is 'the only electable party'?

405dogvan said:

Also - what makes you think Scotland absolutely can't survive alone but England/Wales (with or without Scotland and NI) obviously can - both are 'great unknowns' and I'd say the latter is the riskier proposition?

"You do the math"!

[schmalex]

kurt535 said:

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A bit boring, I know, but for me, thats it. Sorry

and the restoration of a ration card and the coal man, milk man, all wearing jolly nice uniforms. restored steam trains would be nice too. what about making comet aircraft again? and smoking in pubs?

Oh. And don't forget no more little brown people, talking funny languages...

FFS. We've voted ourselves back to the dark ages by, seemingly, a heady mixture of ignorance, profound mid-selling and blind optimism.

Edited by schmalex on Sunday 26th June 19:46

[Mario149]

turbobloke said:

Mario149 said:

EY, the problem is for some people it has already, and probably will continue to do so to a greater or lesser extent for the next few years.

Neither you, nor any other PHer you may refer to, can say what will happen over the next few years.

If you and lots of others talk the country down then you may become part of a self-fulfilling prophecy but even that isn't certain.

In reality if you knew the future for certain you would be wondering what to do with all the money from winning every lottery every week.

If, and it is if, you are correct, you guessed right, you didn't "know".

Good points. Now tell that to the people who are already out of pocket. They don't have to predict the future, they're already living it.

[fatboy18]

danllama said:

How can we celebrate when we feel we might be lynched by frothing fascists?

What an absolute joke this country is.

No frothing Fascist here, keep the faith, work hard, pay your taxes and help make the country prosper

[Robertj21a]

405dogvan said:

What happens if Scotland leaves the EU/stays in the UK and the only electable party continues to oppose that - how, exactly, does a country do one thing which having a Govt which pledges the opposite??

Also - what makes you think Scotland absolutely can't survive alone but England/Wales (with or without Scotland and NI) obviously can - both are 'great unknowns' and I'd say the latter is the riskier proposition?

North Sea Oil.

[sidicks]

Mario149 said:

Good points. Now tell that to the people who are already out of pocket. They don't have to predict the future, they're already living it.

Out of pocket how?

[davepoth]

I've ben reading a lot of foreign media to see what the opinion is abroad. I read the below on the New York Times comments section:

Roger from Oregon said:

Easy doomsayers, easy. No one knows what will happen in the mid and long terms. And please, will everyone just try to put a slight harness on the fallback soundbite labels of xenophobia and racism.

I'm not crazy about this decision but I'm also not crazy about the general ineptitudes and remoteness of the EU these last several years.

To you, fellow Americans, ask yourselves, "What would the US do?".
For starters we never would have joined in quite a binding and nebulous offshore super-government. At least not in this next few hundred years.

And another thing: We don't live as close as the Brits do to the 1/3 of the world that is warring and crumbling before their eyes and in their not so far backyards.

Yeah, it's gonna sting a bit for now. But have some faith; that's the country of Shakespeare, Queen Victoria, the computer and The Beatles.
They'll figure something out.

[Einion Yrth]

Mario149 said:

EY, the problem is for some people it has already, and probably will continue to do so to a greater or lesser extent for the next few years. See TannedBaldHead on the 2nd Referendum Please thread. As i said in another post, it's one thing to vote Leave knowing that you may be out of pocket, it's quite another to then be presented with it as fact by your employer the day after the result as a direct consequence of your choice.

Yes Mario, but the economy isn't fcked, yet, and may not be ever. We're undoubtedly in for some bad times before we get it turned around, but it's hardly the first time we've been there. I have a great deal of sympathy for those immediately impacted by the current state of play, as they say I've been rich and I've been poor, and rich is better. We are an incredibly inventive people, we gave the world the industrial revolution, we brought forth more Nobel prize winners than any other nation bar one. We'll be fine, we just have to get over a bit of a bump in the road first, and as I say I'm not in anyway unsympathetic to those whose bump will be more onerous than others, I've been there and I know it stinks, but we will come back stronger.

[schmalex]

sidicks said:

schmalex said:

Oh. And don't forget no more little brown people, talking funny languages...

FFS

Ignorant comment emphasises your ignorance.

Nope. It's what was shouted at me by some staunch Leave voters yesterday. They voted to "get rid of all those bloody blacks that come flooding in". Disgusting

[sidicks]

schmalex said:

Nope. It's what was shouted at me by some staunch Leave voters yesterday. They voted to "get rid of all those bloody blacks that come flooding in". Disgusting

Ok, hardly representative of the majority though.

[Einion Yrth]

schmalex said:

sidicks said:

schmalex said:

Oh. And don't forget no more little brown people, talking funny languages...

FFS

Ignorant comment emphasises your ignorance.

Nope. It's what was shouted at me by some staunch Leave voters yesterday. They voted to "get rid of all those bloody blacks that come flooding in". Disgusting

If true, I agree with you, it's disgusting. I won't however, as a leave voter, accept any more responsibility for racist aholes than any other citizen should.

[mybrainhurts]

Mario149 said:

mybrainhurts said:

Blue Oval84 said:

///ajd said:

when the outcome will be so far from the promises, a referendum on are you sure seems entirely appropriate.

Yes, I think what I'm getting at is that the way I understand it, this referendum was nothing more than an opinion poll, the government is not legally obliged to carry it out (even though they said they would)

If they ran their opinion poll again today I think it would at least have swung 52/48 the other way, if not an overwhelming majority for remain.

Great idea. Let's do that for every general election from now on.

If GEs weren't legally binding, I think we would - elected party bins part of their manifesto etc a few days in, trigger re-run etc. But since they are and the referendum wasn't, it's not a valid comparison.

FFS, stop whingeing. If you're going to re run a referendum until you get the result you want, you're behaving like the EU....thoroughly corrupt.

That's why, morally, it must be respected in the same way as a GE.

Stop clutching at straws, they're break and you'll fall on your bloody arse.

[wc98]

schmalex said:

Oh. And don't forget no more little brown people, talking funny languages...

FFS. We've voted ourselves back to the dark ages by, seemingly, a heady mixture of ignorance, profound mid-selling and blind optimism.

Edited by schmalex on Sunday 26th June 19:46

oh i hope not, would not like to see my younger brother, sister and my step mother have to go "back where they came from" if that is what you mean. would only have to be step mother as my siblings were born here so i suppose i i get to keep two out of three that wouldn't be so bad .

seriously schmalex, come back and read what you just posted in a few years time , you will see how daft it sounds in less politically charged times.

[Vyse]

Now is the time for serious negotiation and I believe we only have one chance to get things right. If we definitely leave the EU and the economy turns sour, we can't exactly knock on the door again asking to be let back in because we won't. Once we leave, that is it, no turning back. If we do end up deciding to stay, either through a 2nd referendum or via EU reforms then we must only stay if the terms are spot on and acceptable to both the remain and leave sides.

Leaving and doing well (I don't buy into this as the leave side doesn't seem to have a blueprint or clue as to what to do) >>> Remaining in reformed EU (This is what I want) >>> Remaining in existing EU (This would case unrest) >>> Leaving and not doing well (This would be the worst case scenario, fingers would directly be pointed to Boris and Gove)

[KTF]

Robertj21a said:

North Sea Oil.

I thought the price of that had st the bed?

[s2art]

Vyse said:

Now is the time for serious negotiation and I believe we only have one chance to get things right. If we definitely leave the EU and the economy turns sour, we can't exactly knock on the door again asking to be let back in because we won't. Once we leave, that is it, no turning back. If we do end up deciding to stay, either through a 2nd referendum or via EU reforms then we must only stay if the terms are spot on and acceptable to both the remain and leave sides.

Leaving and doing well (I don't buy into this as the leave side doesn't seem to have a blueprint or clue as to what to do) >>> Remaining in reformed EU (This is what I want) >>> Remaining in existing EU (This would case unrest) >>> Leaving and not doing well (This would be the worst case scenario, fingers would directly be pointed to Boris and Gove)

We have just done about the only thing that will cause the EU to reform.

[mondeoman]

For all of you predicting the end of the world, here's a little tip.

You are perfectly placed to make an absolute killing on the stock market and exchange markets, because only you know whats going to happen in the future, so I hope to see ALL of you on here next week, boasting of the killing you've made putting your money where your mouth is and how your retirement is going.

Me, I'm going back to work as normal.

[anonymous-user]

To all those in despair

Just pop your red shoes on click the heels together and keep saying "take me back to 4.38,take me back to 4.38,take me back to 4.38,"

OR
You could just get on with things and life.

[AmitG]

turbobloke said:

CMD is still PM, where the farquharson is he?

Crying into his memoirs?

He needs to get a grip and get out there and lead.

Now would do!

Agree, I think a lot of the hysteria at the moment is driven by the fact that there are no updates coming from the government, and frankly nobody seems to be in charge.

• Cameron made a resignation speech and then seemed to go quiet
• Osborne is still nowhere to be seen
• Boris - one short speech, then silence
• Gove - almost nothing
• May - nothing

If somebody senior in the government - anybody - would step forward and say

• This is the current situation
• These are the things we know, and the things we don't know
• This is what we are currently working on
• This is what we are proposing to do over the next few days/weeks

...then things would calm down. As it is, there is no information whatsoever, so everyone is speculating, and people are focussing on negative outcomes, which is human nature.

Maybe the government silence is because it's a weekend. But I suspect it's mainly because nobody wants to step forward, nobody is sure who is actually in charge now, and despite a Leave vote being a clear possibility for weeks, there isn't a plan.

I find this very scary - much more so than the actual result, which I am fine with.