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///ajd said:
Who suffers - the poorest in society as usual. They've been sold a pup.
With the FTSE recovering to end referendum week over 2% up it's odds on that quite a few of the poorest in society were smiling as they checked their portfolio. Those engaged in forex day trading will have made a packet.Then again, with nothing better to offer, you may have been sloganeering along trite and hackneyed 'poor bloody infantry' lines.
EricE said:
It's a historic downgrade, no rating agency has ever cut a AAA sovereign rating by two steps before. Not even during the financial crisis. Cost of UK debt will go up immediately and there will be a knock-on effect for businesses. As far as I know a corporate rating cannot be higher than the rating of it's country.
Remind what's happened to the cost of debt (yield) on government debt since the Brexit vote...?!
Edited by sidicks on Monday 27th June 22:40
turbobloke said:
With the FTSE recovering to end referendum week over 2% up it's odds on that quite a few of the poorest in society were smiling as they checked their portfolio. Those engaged in forex day trading will have made a packet.
Then again, with nothing better to offer, you may have been sloganeering along trite and hackneyed 'poor bloody infantry' lines.
Checked their portfolio? Of what? Tins of beans? Do you actually think about what you write?Then again, with nothing better to offer, you may have been sloganeering along trite and hackneyed 'poor bloody infantry' lines.
mike9009 said:
Stickyfinger said:
Don't be a t
t
Didn't expect anything less. Please explain what legislation we will change to allow the UK to grow and prosper now we are leaving the EU? I thought the red tape of the EU and undemocratic nature of its being (which I agree with, btw) were holding the UK back.tI am yet to have this explained to me - and all I get is abuse.
Mike
Whoever is voted in to change it, they will be our choice
My democratic choice is fundamental, yours it seems is up for sale.
whatever laws are changed to do this will be made by us
don4l said:
///ajd said:
Jockman said:
sidicks said:
///ajd said:
Dropped down to AA, they even missed out AA+.
What is the rating of the US?US is AA+ Stable
EU is AA+ Stable
UK was AAA Stable, since brexit it is AA Negative
What is your point, they are stable but we are still going downhill?
Every single post that you have done in this, and other, threads has been an attempt to talk down the UK.
Like you, I am not British. However, I have no shame in wanting the best for the country that has provided so well for me.
Perhaps you should show a little gratitude? Or perhaps you dribble in your trousers when you see a bit of bad news.
Just a thought...
You might have 'won', but what have you 'won'?
You might consider plunging our country into what appears a worrying recession just when we really need to drag ourselves out of debt is fine, but it defies any logical decision making and pro/con analysis.
PS You seem convinced I'm not British for some unfathomable reason. Quite bizarre. You never did say whether you were from Eire or NI; I wonder why.
hoagypubdog said:
Cannot believe nobody's mentioned light bulbs yet! Still got some 100 watt ones hidden away, will be fitting them in celebration..
Ive Got loads, Cant stand walking into a bathroom with some low energy 40w bulb. Have you been into a DIY Store lately to try and buy a bright bulb? Its a bloody minefield and I'm in the trade!///ajd said:
So, less money to go around for the services, the NHS, due to lower tax take and higher debt servicing costs etc. etc. - its not going to be a giveaway budget is it?
Who suffers - the poorest in society as usual. They've been sold a pup.
Once again, great googling.Who suffers - the poorest in society as usual. They've been sold a pup.
Now tell me, what's happened to our borrowing costs following the Brexit vote?!
turbobloke said:
With the FTSE recovering to end referendum week over 2% up it's odds on that quite a few of the poorest in society were smiling as they checked their portfolio. Those engaged in forex day trading will have made a packet.
Then again, with nothing better to offer, you may have been sloganeering along trite and hackneyed 'poor bloody infantry' lines.
Oh look. Then again, with nothing better to offer, you may have been sloganeering along trite and hackneyed 'poor bloody infantry' lines.
Nero's here.
///ajd said:
You know what it means and why it matters.
Maybe. But we want to know if you do, in your own words and not in a Google result with emboldening. It may just provide a shred of credibility to your opinion to the notoriously fickle markets' short term reactions to one of the most unusual non-violent political shake ups in a generation.
Go in, you owe it to yourself.
fatboy18 said:
ve Got loads, Cant stand walking into a bathroom with some low energy 40w bulb. Have you been into a DIY Store lately to try and buy a bright bulb? Its a bloody minefield and I'm in the trade!
I get the impression that even decent brightness halogen bulbs are getting hard to find. Local Tesco have a splendid selection of 15 - 20W bulbs for the kind of over-complicated lights that appeal to women, but nothing that allows me to read a newspaper. I blame Angela Merkel. She's East German and possibly nostalgic for really hopeless lighting.Stickyfinger said:
mike9009 said:
Stickyfinger said:
Don't be a tt
Didn't expect anything less. Please explain what legislation we will change to allow the UK to grow and prosper now we are leaving the EU? I thought the red tape of the EU and undemocratic nature of its being (which I agree with, btw) were holding the UK back.tI am yet to have this explained to me - and all I get is abuse.
Mike
Whoever is voted in to change it, they will be our choice
whatever laws are changed to do this will be made by us
We had pretty free reign whilst in the EU anyway and could veto if necessary.
I am left confused.
(btw I am a remainer (no s
t) but I am quite looking forward to see how things will pan out. I want it to succeed. It is going to be a great political/ social and economic experiment. I just hope/ wish it all calms down by the time my kids are about to start work and there is no lasting damage. (about 10-15 years time)) I can understand the anger of some people.
Mike
fatboy18 said:
ve Got loads, Cant stand walking into a bathroom with some low energy 40w bulb. Have you been into a DIY Store lately to try and buy a bright bulb? Its a bloody minefield and I'm in the trade!
Saw some 100 watt bulbs on sale in Home Bargains ( council) a few months ago, couldn't believe such flagrant law breaking... vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
You clean forgot about the snivelling anti-democracy whine from supposedly educated people who found themselves on the wrong side of public opinion for the second time in eighteen months and began advocating totalitarianism while constantly talking their country down. Easily done.
So we are not allowed to have contrary opinions now? Who exactly is advocating totalitarianism?Talking the country down - grow up. It's not a f
king person.If people suggest that a referendum result is simply set aside when the PM has previously said that the result was the result and there would not be a neverendum, that's totalitarianism and it's what some supposedly well-educated people are suggesting.
As to talking the country down, not being a person is irrelevant as the phrase is an example of anthropomorphism so it looks as though you're not as well-educated as you would like to think. Either that, or you were faking thicko for some reason.
I can hardly believe you told me to grow up when we've been advised from credible sources that older voters are clueless and only da yoof knows how to vote. Why me
From your use of an undeleted expletive you must be ancient as that's really not clever.
Overall, great work there vonuber, even for you.
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mike9009 said:
Brilliant! So personally you would not change anything?
We had pretty free reign whilst in the EU anyway and could veto if necessary.
I am left confused.
(btw I am a remainer (no st) but I am quite looking forward to see how things will pan out. I want it to succeed. It is going to be a great political/ social and economic experiment. I just hope/ wish it all calms down by the time my kids are about to start work and there is no lasting damage. (about 10-15 years time))
I can understand the anger of some people.
Mike
You know, I can't after just 4 days. Just sounds like sour grapes to me. We had pretty free reign whilst in the EU anyway and could veto if necessary.
I am left confused.
(btw I am a remainer (no s
t) but I am quite looking forward to see how things will pan out. I want it to succeed. It is going to be a great political/ social and economic experiment. I just hope/ wish it all calms down by the time my kids are about to start work and there is no lasting damage. (about 10-15 years time)) I can understand the anger of some people.
Mike
mike9009 said:
Stickyfinger said:
mike9009 said:
Stickyfinger said:
Don't be a tt
Didn't expect anything less. Please explain what legislation we will change to allow the UK to grow and prosper now we are leaving the EU? I thought the red tape of the EU and undemocratic nature of its being (which I agree with, btw) were holding the UK back.tI am yet to have this explained to me - and all I get is abuse.
Mike
Whoever is voted in to change it, they will be our choice
whatever laws are changed to do this will be made by us
Mike
And I said this
My democratic choice is fundamental, yours it seems is up for sale.
turbobloke said:
vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
You clean forgot about the snivelling anti-democracy whine from supposedly educated people who found themselves on the wrong side of public opinion for the second time in eighteen months and began advocating totalitarianism while constantly talking their country down. Easily done.
So we are not allowed to have contrary opinions now? Who exactly is advocating totalitarianism?Talking the country down - grow up. It's not a f
king person.If people suggest that a referendum result is simply set aside when the PM has previously said that the result was the result and there would not be a neverendum, that's totalitarianism and it's what some supposedly well-educated people are suggesting.
As to talking the country down, not being a person is irrelevant as the phrase is an example of anthropomorphism so it looks as though you're not as well-educated as you would like to think. Either that, or you were faking thicko for some reason.
I can hardly believe you told me to grow up when we've been advised from credible sources that older voters are clueless and only da yoof knows how to vote. Why me
From your use of an undeleted expletive you must be ancient as that's really not clever.
Overall, great work there vonuber, even for you.
davepoth said:
AJL308 said:
I think it will go this way; The majority of MP's want to stay in the EU. There will be a vote of no confidence which will pass. A GE will be called and the Lib Dems (who have already said they will fight the next GE on a remain basis) will walk it as the other parties will agree to not put up candidates or something.
The Lib Dems, having won an election on a Remain mandate, will not invoke Art.50 and will enact legislation preventing any exit from the EU without the explicit authority of Parliament. Yes, that could be repealed but it's another step which would have to be gone through before the results of a future referendum could be acted upon.
I didn't realise that fantasy was a stage of grief. The Lib Dems, having won an election on a Remain mandate, will not invoke Art.50 and will enact legislation preventing any exit from the EU without the explicit authority of Parliament. Yes, that could be repealed but it's another step which would have to be gone through before the results of a future referendum could be acted upon.
I just call it as I see it.
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