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[sidicks]

youngsyr said:

davepoth said:

On the basis that gilt yields have reached a historic low, the market perceives UK debt to be less risky than it has been at any point in history.

Errr, no.

Agreed. But the point was to refute the stupid claims made by the original poster about how we'd be facing increased borrowing costs.

youngsyr said:

Guardian said:

If Britain really was considered a safe haven in times of trouble, sterling would be going up on the foreign exchanges rather than falling against the dollar, euro and yen.

Not necessarily true for local investors.

[sidicks]

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking,, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

I think that's debatable for many, in the context of 40% of people going to University and an increasing number of 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 28th June 10:53

[irocfan]

a well written article...

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/...

[walm]

sidicks said:

I think that's debatable for many, in the context of 40% of people going to University and an increasing number of 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

I concur.
Walm BA Hons, Disney Studies.

[youngsyr]

sidicks said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking,, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

I think that's debatable for many, in the context of 40% of people going to University and an increasing number of 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 28th June 10:53

My point is that university courses teach you the skills needed for and gives you experience in research, analysis and critical thinking. It has nothing to do with intelligence or even knowledge.

It therefore doesn't really matter which subject you study; the mere fact that you've spent 3 or 4 years studying it at undergraduate level will tend to give you better abilities in those areas than someone who hasn't spent 3 or 4 years doing it.

[HappyMidget]

youngsyr said:

My point is that university courses teach you the skills needed for and gives you experience in research, analysis and critical thinking. It has nothing to do with intelligence or even knowledge.

It therefore doesn't really matter which subject you study; the mere fact that you've spent 3 or 4 years studying it at undergraduate level will tend to give you better abilities in those areas than someone who hasn't spent 3 or 4 years doing it.

My father despairs at the lack of critical thinking displayed by a lot of post grad students that he lectures.

[youngsyr]

HappyMidget said:

youngsyr said:

My point is that university courses teach you the skills needed for and gives you experience in research, analysis and critical thinking. It has nothing to do with intelligence or even knowledge.

It therefore doesn't really matter which subject you study; the mere fact that you've spent 3 or 4 years studying it at undergraduate level will tend to give you better abilities in those areas than someone who hasn't spent 3 or 4 years doing it.

My father despairs at the lack of critical thinking displayed by a lot of post grad students that he lectures.

Has he lectured many people who left school at 16/18?

[Pommygranite]

youngsyr said:

sidicks said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking,, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

I think that's debatable for many, in the context of 40% of people going to University and an increasing number of 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 28th June 10:53

My point is that university courses AIM to teach you the skills needed for and gives you experience in research, analysis and critical thinking. It has nothing to do with intelligence or even knowledge.

It therefore doesn't really matter which subject you study; the mere fact that you've spent 3 or 4 years studying it at undergraduate level will tend to give you better abilities in those areas than someone who hasn't spent 3 or 4 years doing it.

Efa.

[Jockman]

youngsyr said:

HappyMidget said:

youngsyr said:

My point is that university courses teach you the skills needed for and gives you experience in research, analysis and critical thinking. It has nothing to do with intelligence or even knowledge.

It therefore doesn't really matter which subject you study; the mere fact that you've spent 3 or 4 years studying it at undergraduate level will tend to give you better abilities in those areas than someone who hasn't spent 3 or 4 years doing it.

My father despairs at the lack of critical thinking displayed by a lot of post grad students that he lectures.

Has he lectured many people who left school at 16/18?

You mean the ones without the £54,000 debt that they will never pay off?

[HappyMidget]

youngsyr said:

Has he lectured many people who left school at 16/18?

Both myself and one of my sisters left school at 16 (me) and 18. The other two sisters are postgrad.

And yes, he has lectured me many a time

Edited by HappyMidget on Tuesday 28th June 11:32

[FiF]

sidicks said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking,, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

I think that's debatable for many, in the context of 40% of people going to University and an increasing number of 'Mickey Mouse' degrees.

Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 28th June 10:53

More of an observation than a scientific study, but it seems like an increasing number of recent graduates who wish to take post graduate courses don't really understand the concept of original research. Not just UK but overseas students too. Some clearly have spent their entire career in education in environments where basically diligently writing down what the lecturers and tutors say, combined with later regurgitation, is a route to success.

[KTF]

Even by the low standards of the Express this is impressive:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-r...

[Jockman]

KTF said:

Even by the low standards of the Express this is impressive:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-r...

Sure I saw that yesterday?

[Tycho]

Jockman said:

KTF said:

Even by the low standards of the Express this is impressive:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-r...

Sure I saw that yesterday?

I did see this yesterday but TBH it just reiterates the long term plan of the EU which is what I voted against.

[Stickyfinger]

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

or use Google

[fatboy18]

Tycho said:

Jockman said:

KTF said:

Even by the low standards of the Express this is impressive:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-r...

Sure I saw that yesterday?

I did see this yesterday but TBH it just reiterates the long term plan of the EU which is what I voted against.

Exactly, thats also one of the reasons I voted out.

[glazbagun]

Stickyfinger said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

or use Google

Like the people searching "what is the EU?" after we voted to leave?

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=What%20i...

[Jonesy23]

glazbagun said:

Like the people searching "what is the EU?" after we voted to leave?

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=What%20i...

You mean that brief blip of 1500 searches or whatever it was? The analysis of what that actually involved and how it compared to other search traffic showed it was absolutely insignificant.

Good for pushing a narrative though if you don't look at the detail.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

glazbagun said:

Stickyfinger said:

youngsyr said:

I suspect most graduates are aware that being a graduate doesn't make you more intelligent. It does tend to make you better able to do your own research, analysis and critical thinking, since this is essentially what you do for the 3 or 4 years you're at university, being trained by people who've made a career out of it.

or use Google

Like the people searching "what is the EU?" after we voted to leave?

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=What%20i...

How do you know they weren't people who voted remain, wondering what it was that the majority of people actually voted against.

[Efbe]

turbobloke said:

Eric Mc said:

Interesting demographic -

University Educated - 70% remain

GCSE or lower - 30% remain

Presumably that includes students or grads on courses such as Beckhamology.

These days between 30% and 40% of students go on to higher education with around 170 institutions housing over 1 million late sleepers.

Post-war through the 60s and 70s the number of HE institutions was closer to 30 and the proportion of 18-year olds going to uni climbed slowly from 2% pre-war through 5% post-war to the current state where you can get a degree in Flower Arranging (Professional Floristry and Floral Design) which makes you highly educated...in flower arranging naturally.

To make the same sweeping false generalisation as the above stat, we have Beckham fans and flower arrangers voting Ramain.

This statistic doesn't make sense though. quite obviously fake.

What about college educated?
Given that students must now stay on at school until 18, no-one will come out with just GCSE level, at very least they will have a-levels or level-Whatever it is now for apprenticeships etc.