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[Trabi601]

If 50% of BMW drivers switched to JLR, the AA and RAC had better start buying some new vans!

[mike9009]

Trabi601 said:

If 50% of BMW drivers switched to JLR, the AA and RAC had better start buying some new vans!

Maybe in the 1970s.

Jaguar above BMW, Mercedes, VW and Audi in 2016 driver power survey. (Shame LR cant pull their finger out)

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...

Edited by mike9009 on Tuesday 28th June 23:22

[johnxjsc1985]

mike9009 said:

Maybe in the 1970s.

Jaguar above BMW and Audi in 2016 driver power survey.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...

think the Referendum has sent him back to the 70's.

[Trabi601]

johnxjsc1985 said:

mike9009 said:

Maybe in the 1970s.

Jaguar above BMW and Audi in 2016 driver power survey.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...

think the Referendum has sent him back to the 70's.

Which is exactly where the Land Rover reliability figure is. And I believe the new generation XF plus the XE have had very troublesome starts - to the extent my FIL who is a massive Jag fan bought a 330i over an XE.

[FredClogs]

Welshbeef said:

Visa and Vodaphone (HQ strongly looking to relocate) out of the U.K.

On Sky news breaking news!

I lived in Newbury for a few years whilst Vodaphone were building that HQ. That will leave a sizeable whole in that area if they do move out.

[mike9009]

Trabi601 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

mike9009 said:

Maybe in the 1970s.

Jaguar above BMW and Audi in 2016 driver power survey.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...

think the Referendum has sent him back to the 70's.

Which is exactly where the Land Rover reliability figure is. And I believe the new generation XF plus the XE have had very troublesome starts - to the extent my FIL who is a massive Jag fan bought a 330i over an XE.

Please, please, please do not side line my main question about the economic benefits of buying British manufactured goods and Brexitters (in general ) less than firm comprehension of economics. It feels like I am debating with Nigel Farage!

By the way I am no economist either. Just a casual by-stander wanting the best for my country. I stick by the decision of the majority who voted in the referendum. I am quite relishing the political and economic conundrum we have in front of us and how it will pan out. Interesting times....

Mike

[gothatway]

Trabi601 said:

mike9009 said:

Nice one - didn't check your garage before posting But on a random sample of 5 Brexiters in this thread not one had a British manufactured car (other than one classic Healey - very nice too - but I suspect the people who manufactured that are long gone )

- to whoever that other Healey owner might be

Trabi601 said:

Isn't the Healey brand now owned by BMW?

I was pretty sure that the Healey family kept it.

[Stickyfinger]

Always thought the Germans nicked it

[sidicks]

mike9009 said:

Please, please, please do not side line my main question about the economic benefits of buying British manufactured goods and Brexitters (in general ) less than firm comprehension of economics. It feels like I am debating with Nigel Farage!

By the way I am no economist either. Just a casual by-stander wanting the best for my country. I stick by the decision of the majority who voted in the referendum. I am quite relishing the political and economic conundrum we have in front of us and how it will pan out. Interesting times....

Mike

As above, we trade with other countries to acquire things we want, benefitting both sides. It is mutually beneficial.

[mike9009]

sidicks said:

mike9009 said:

Please, please, please do not side line my main question about the economic benefits of buying British manufactured goods and Brexitters (in general ) less than firm comprehension of economics. It feels like I am debating with Nigel Farage!

By the way I am no economist either. Just a casual by-stander wanting the best for my country. I stick by the decision of the majority who voted in the referendum. I am quite relishing the political and economic conundrum we have in front of us and how it will pan out. Interesting times....

Mike

As above, we trade with other countries to acquire things we want, benefitting both sides. It is mutually beneficial.

Nope, I give up. Good night all

[///ajd]

mike9009 said:

Will Brexitters change their car buying habits (Audi, Renault and Citroen, for example) and start buying Great British manufactured cars? (This is PH after all)



Mike

Is that why we need to leave the EU?

To break free of the shackles of the Single Market and set up wonderful trade deals across the globe!

Finally free to err only buy stuff made in the UK cos foreign stuff is rubbish innit?

[Mr_B]

///ajd said:

mike9009 said:

Will Brexitters change their car buying habits (Audi, Renault and Citroen, for example) and start buying Great British manufactured cars? (This is PH after all)



Mike

Is that why we need to leave the EU?

To break free of the shackles of the Single Market and set up wonderful trade deals across the globe!

Finally free to err only buy stuff made in the UK cos foreign stuff is rubbish innit?

Someone posted this clip up the other day of the 1975 referendum debate at the Oxford Union. In relation the cars bit, I did laugh a little when at the start he talks about Lord Stokes saying how they were going to sweep Europe with access to the 250 million people of the Common Market. That worked out well....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk

That

[jonnyb]

fatboy18 said:

jonnyb said:

Stickyfinger said:

jonnyb said:

Le Penn! FFS!!!

Are you surprised!?! A bunch of neo Nazi racist idiots, you might as well have the BNP up there.

I cannot believe you really think a speech from Le Penn praising the UK is a good thing, it makes me ashamed to be British and saddens me to my very core.

Not really following the developments in France politically are you.

Yes I am, but it doesn't make them right. Why not get Golden Dawn, or ISIS up there too, they were quite pleased with the result.

Hitler was a political hero in Germany in the early 30s, look how that turned out.

As I have said to you before, Le Penn, Golden Dawn, these are the worst factions of right wing hatred in Europe. And these are the people celebrating the referendum result.

Well done, makes you proud to be English. Not.

What you are not realising here is if you keep dismissing the rising tension it will boil over from a where it's been simmering through Governments leaning too far the other way. Letting Migrants unchecked into the EU has added to the tension, hence better border control was also added to the Leave campaign and we are now where we are!

The problem with that is what it's going to cost. If the Europeans hold out on the single market then our problems will be a whole lot bigger than immigration. We do most of our trade with the EU block, although that figure is declining, it's still our most important trading partner.

If you can guarantee free access to the single market, and improve border control then you will get my vote. However, it seems free movement of people is a red line issue for the EU.

So it depends on what's more important to you, immigration, or the massive tax rises and spending cuts that will follow ejection from the single market.

Historically were a nation of immigrants anyway. Very few of us are truly British.

[sidicks]

jonnyb said:

The problem with that is what it's going to cost. If the Europeans hold out on the single market then our problems will be a whole lot bigger than immigration. We do most of our trade with the EU block, although that figure is declining, it's still our most important trading partner.

If you can guarantee free access to the single market, and improve border control then you will get my vote. However, it seems free movement of people is a red line issue for the EU.

So it depends on what's more important to you, immigration, or the massive tax rises and spending cuts that will follow ejection from the single market.

Historically were a nation of immigrants anyway. Very few of us are truly British.

You seem very confused - one minute Brexiters were akin to the Nazis and you were calling for increased integration and the adoption of the Euro, now you suddenly agree with the desired aims of many of those who voted leave?

[don4l]

whoami said:

mike9009 said:

Unfortunately, German busineses are in Germany. Thus they will pay German corporation tax. Their employees will pay German income tax and German VAT (plus whatever taxes there are) These taxes are collected by Merkel and then spent on undemocratic EU projects at will.

How much does the UK spend per week with BMW and Audi? Quite a lot I think as it was frequently given as a reason the EU would never allow tariffs for BMWs/ Audis into the UK because of the volume.....

So why don't Brexitters buy British manufactured goods?

Mike

I do.

Me too.

[turbobloke]

don4l said:

whoami said:

mike9009 said:

Unfortunately, German busineses are in Germany. Thus they will pay German corporation tax. Their employees will pay German income tax and German VAT (plus whatever taxes there are) These taxes are collected by Merkel and then spent on undemocratic EU projects at will.

How much does the UK spend per week with BMW and Audi? Quite a lot I think as it was frequently given as a reason the EU would never allow tariffs for BMWs/ Audis into the UK because of the volume.....

So why don't Brexitters buy British manufactured goods?

Mike

I do.

Me too.

Same here, including GTech products.

[Welshbeef]

FredClogs said:

Welshbeef said:

Visa and Vodaphone (HQ strongly looking to relocate) out of the U.K.

On Sky news breaking news!

I lived in Newbury for a few years whilst Vodaphone were building that HQ. That will leave a sizeable whole in that area if they do move out.

I've been to the site it's huge and far too many staff for the site hence they encourage working at home.

Still if that goes from Newbury (along with Bayer who announced they were moving to Reading long before the vote) then it's a massive loss of local employment. Sure it's not far to travel to Reading BUT the time it takes due to dire congestion is laughable.


Not good if it turns out to be true.


Visa moving out 2,000 staff from Paddington to Europe as part of a clause they had in the sale to Visa Inc is a forgone conslusion.

Hmm.

[Halb]

turbobloke said:

Same here, including GTech products.

GTech-Ram? I'm looking at purchasing one of their vacuum cleaners currently.

[confused_buyer]

95% of any deal could probably be agreed in a day as most of it is non-contentious. It is the last 5% which will take 2 years.

It is almost certainly going in the direction of a EEA/Norway ish style deal. We want access to the Single Market and they want access to ours with minimal disruption. We will have to pay something for this - probably around 50% of current contributions in line with Norway.

The argument will come down to two big things:

(a) Access to the Single Market with full financial passporting rights which we really want/need and the EU know this.
(b) Free movement of people which is politically difficult to us but something of a red line for the EU.

So, it will come down to a big argument of those two as a trade off against one another.

Of course, the somewhat unknown is how many people who start the negotiations will still be there when they finish 2 years later (on both sides).

[vonuber]

Surely just a two year wait before people who are non uk citizens can claim benefits (with NHS treatment recovered from the host country) along with paying a wage that incentivises the lazy arsed to actually go to work - so it's not worth being on benefits - is the most obvious solution to all of this?

Seems to me the majority of problems in this country are home grown - successive governments ignoring the regions (ironically leaving the eu to plug the investment gap, speak to cornwall for further details) along with a benefits system that can make work pointless due to low wages and tax credits subsidising employers.