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turbobloke said:
Disastrous said:
Even the Brexit main man knows it was a s
t idea and has legged it, haha!
As it happens, there's no evidence for that.t idea and has legged it, haha!
turbobloke said:
Disastrous said:
Even the Brexit main man knows it was a st idea and has legged it, haha!
As it happens, there's no evidence for that.t idea and has legged it, haha!As if something requires evidence to be true.
I appreciate you'll disagree as you won't back anything you can't quote ad infinitum to filibuster (or should that be filibluster?? Interesting) your way through an argument but I could not care less.
Delightful balls up by Brexit. Ahh, isn't democracy wonderful.
Yes it does rather appear that the main Leave campaigners don't seem to want to touch it with a barge pole now, all except for Farage of course and I don't think I'd trust him to run my local chippie, let alone the country.
It's a shame as I think there is a real opportunity to try something different, it's a shame most don't seem to have the courage of their convictions. If handled properly it really needn't be the political suicide that some seem to think it is.
It's a shame as I think there is a real opportunity to try something different, it's a shame most don't seem to have the courage of their convictions. If handled properly it really needn't be the political suicide that some seem to think it is.
Edited by Guvernator on Thursday 30th June 12:55
Disastrous said:
Laugh. So?
As if something requires evidence to be true.
I appreciate you'll disagree as you won't back anything you can't quote ad infinitum to filibuster (or should that be filibluster?? Interesting) your way through an argument but I could not care less.
Delightful balls up by Brexit. Ahh, isn't democracy wonderful.
More of a balls up by Cameron really. He had no plan B, and left the country entirely exposed to this uncertainty because he was so sure that his scare stories and condescending dismissal of the arguments put forward in favour of leaving would convince enough people to vote Remain.As if something requires evidence to be true.
I appreciate you'll disagree as you won't back anything you can't quote ad infinitum to filibuster (or should that be filibluster?? Interesting) your way through an argument but I could not care less.
Delightful balls up by Brexit. Ahh, isn't democracy wonderful.
In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
AJS- said:
More of a balls up by Cameron really. He had no plan B, and left the country entirely exposed to this uncertainty because he was so sure that his scare stories and condescending dismissal of the arguments put forward in favour of leaving would convince enough people to vote Remain.
In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
& poor judgmentIn fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
AJS- said:
More of a balls up by Cameron really. He had no plan B, and left the country entirely exposed to this uncertainty because he was so sure that his scare stories and condescending dismissal of the arguments put forward in favour of leaving would convince enough people to vote Remain.
In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
So man who tells people not to do something gets blamed when they don't listen?In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
AJS- said:
More of a balls up by Cameron really...
Things that I could not believe about the referendum:1) that Cameron promised it in the first place
2) that Cameron set it up so that the decision depended on a simple majority of those who voted - the Tories' trade union reforms proposed a threshold of more than 50% of eligible voters and they should have been able to sell that, at least
3) that Cameron believed that asking Obama to intervene with an obviously UK-scripted soundbite would be anything but counter-productive
4) that Cameron believed that ludicrous scare stories were the correct approach (Global financial collapse!!!! War!!!! Terrorism!!!! Security cooperation!!!! POTUS doesn't like it!!!!)
5) that Cameron thought that nobody would notice that he couldn't get a decent deal from the EU even when the consequences of Brexit would be so dire - either he's a really bad negotiator or the scare stories were exaggerated
6) that Cameron did not realise that a lot of older voters would remember what they were sold 40 years ago and what they found they had actually bought when they opened the package labelled "Common Market"
7) that Cameron did not make it clear to the EU establishment that they should not arrogantly assume that the result was a foregone conclusion
8) that Cameron did not predict that "young" voters would not bother to actually vote if he acted as if the result was a foregone conclusion
9) that Cameron and "Remain" did not attempt clearly to explain the way the EU works and why the way the EU works is a good thing (and that "Leave" did not attempt to explain the way the EU works and why the way the EU works is a bad thing
) 10) that Cameron was prepared to involve the US in presenting negative spin in favour of the status quo but did not invite our European partners to present the positive (didn't say much for his confidence in the EU's case)
(that's enough to be going on with...)
s2art said:
georgeq said:
yes that is a very good thing for those who are willing to trade the best part of our financial business for shorter passport queues.
Thats a little surprising. I thought we exported quite a lot of Whisky (and beer) but its shown as 0%.
Have you even seen a photograph of central London/the Docklands recently?
Our financial sector is worth around £130bn a year to match that you'd have to sell several bottles to every man, woman and child on the planet, every year!
AJS- said:
More of a balls up by Cameron really. He had no plan B, and left the country entirely exposed to this uncertainty because he was so sure that his scare stories and condescending dismissal of the arguments put forward in favour of leaving would convince enough people to vote Remain.
In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
You're sounding like one of those people who blames Thatcher for everything that's wrong in their lives. In fact people voted Leave in spite of all this because the eu is undesirable in it's own right.
Cameron has been PM for 6 years and Cameron called the referendum with the backing of his party on both sides of the debate.
The blame for the current uncertainty lies squarely with Cameron for his absurd arrogance.
gareth_r said:
AJS- said:
More of a balls up by Cameron really...
Things that I could not believe about the referendum:1) that Cameron promised it in the first place
2) that Cameron set it up so that the decision depended on a simple majority of those who voted - the Tories' trade union reforms proposed a threshold of more than 50% of eligible voters and they should have been able to sell that, at least
3) that Cameron believed that asking Obama to intervene with an obviously UK-scripted soundbite would be anything but counter-productive
4) that Cameron believed that ludicrous scare stories were the correct approach (Global financial collapse!!!! War!!!! Terrorism!!!! Security cooperation!!!! POTUS doesn't like it!!!!)
5) that Cameron thought that nobody would notice that he couldn't get a decent deal from the EU even when the consequences of Brexit would be so dire - either he's a really bad negotiator or the scare stories were exaggerated
6) that Cameron did not realise that a lot of older voters would remember what they were sold 40 years ago and what they found they had actually bought when they opened the package labelled "Common Market"
7) that Cameron did not make it clear to the EU establishment that they should not arrogantly assume that the result was a foregone conclusion
8) that Cameron did not predict that "young" voters would not bother to actually vote if he acted as if the result was a foregone conclusion
9) that Cameron and "Remain" did not attempt clearly to explain the way the EU works and why the way the EU works is a good thing (and that "Leave" did not attempt to explain the way the EU works and why the way the EU works is a bad thing
) 10) that Cameron was prepared to involve the US in presenting negative spin in favour of the status quo but did not invite our European partners to present the positive (didn't say much for his confidence in the EU's case)
(that's enough to be going on with...)
don4l said:
youngsyr said:
don4l said:
All the market indicators are positive.
Those of you who are so desperate to talk down the UK are failing in your mission.
Gilt yields?Those of you who are so desperate to talk down the UK are failing in your mission.
Consumer confidence?
To cherry pick the FTSE 100 and say "the £ is rising so everything is alright" is looking at the economic situation through extremely rose tinted glasses.
It's a fact that the £ is extremely low against the US Dollar and Chinese Yuan, despite small gains in recent days and gilt yields are at all time lows. It's also a fact that consumer confidence has been set back several years to levels last seen in the aftermath of the financial crisis.
And it's worth bearing in mind that this is the situation before we know what Brexit looks like - as far as I can see it's just as much a possibility that things will get worse rather than better as the exit is finalised.
Edited by youngsyr on Thursday 30th June 11:28
It just goes to show that the markets are ignoring yesterday's scaremongering by Standard and Poor.
The markets are saying that they don't give a damn what Brexit looks like. WTO option is just fine.
BBC GBP:USD said:
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youngsyr said:
s2art said:
georgeq said:
yes that is a very good thing for those who are willing to trade the best part of our financial business for shorter passport queues.
Thats a little surprising. I thought we exported quite a lot of Whisky (and beer) but its shown as 0%.Have you even seen a photograph of central London/the Docklands recently?
Our financial sector is worth around £130bn a year to match that you'd have to sell several bottles to every man, woman and child on the planet, every year!
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