Discussion
mike9009 said:
Sorry I missed the 
. I am firmly on your side and understand (some of) the financial ramifications......
1. Our £350M saving per week is rapidly disappearing.
2. No-one can tell me the red tape we will cut by leaving?
3. The biggest financial benefit offered for leaving is to our fishing industry.
4. Sterling is down, so buying anything foreign (or raw materials for industry) will increase our costs.
5. I am also looking forward to savings rates being slashed then suddenly increased as inflation goes north, job losses, political turmoil, general elections, racial tensions, rioting and then after ten years of chaos some stability.
I am normally optimistic about life (and still am in reality!) but this does worry me.
Mike
What sort of 'optimistic' person looks to an uncertain future and assumes only negatives?. I am firmly on your side and understand (some of) the financial ramifications......1. Our £350M saving per week is rapidly disappearing.
2. No-one can tell me the red tape we will cut by leaving?
3. The biggest financial benefit offered for leaving is to our fishing industry.
4. Sterling is down, so buying anything foreign (or raw materials for industry) will increase our costs.
5. I am also looking forward to savings rates being slashed then suddenly increased as inflation goes north, job losses, political turmoil, general elections, racial tensions, rioting and then after ten years of chaos some stability.
I am normally optimistic about life (and still am in reality!) but this does worry me.
Mike
Guvernator said:
Stickyfinger said:
youngsyr said:
(our relatively stable economy with a stable government with a stable currency have all gone out the window)
really ?....that was quickDo we have a stable currency?
Do we have a stable government?
Do we have a stable economy?
The answer to all 3 of those is clearly "No".
Stickyfinger said:
youngsyr said:
(our relatively stable economy with a stable government with a stable currency have all gone out the window)
really ?....that was quickspoke to a few of my parents friends last night (56-62 y/o)
2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
WCZ said:
spoke to a few of my parents friends last night (56-62 y/o)
2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
Idiots on both sides.2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
Again this was not a logical vote, no one is clever enough to now what the full ramifications would be, not even the alleged experts or people in power which is why I didn't vote. The fact that both sides seemed intent on clouding the issue further with lies and BS only made it worse. This was a heart over head vote no doubt about it but the blame again lies with the media and powers that be who rather than trying to remove some of the heat and emotion out of it seemed to go all out to do the exact opposite and only succeeded in fanning the flames. As someone said Cameron has a LOT to answer for.
1) He should have never made the promise of a referendum just to win an election when he probably would have won it without.
2) He should have timed the referendum properly to give everyone a chance to evaluate the decision properly and for some proper analysis of the different scenarios to be carried out. The vote was called too soon and they were very ill-prepared for the outcome.
3) He should have been impartial and used his media influence to try to clear up confusion rather feeding scaremongering soundbites which largely backfired.
4) And most importantly he shouldn't have resigned. You were largely responsible for this mess, at least have the balls to stick around and try to clean it up. I still don't understand why he resigned so soon?
1) He should have never made the promise of a referendum just to win an election when he probably would have won it without.
2) He should have timed the referendum properly to give everyone a chance to evaluate the decision properly and for some proper analysis of the different scenarios to be carried out. The vote was called too soon and they were very ill-prepared for the outcome.
3) He should have been impartial and used his media influence to try to clear up confusion rather feeding scaremongering soundbites which largely backfired.
4) And most importantly he shouldn't have resigned. You were largely responsible for this mess, at least have the balls to stick around and try to clean it up. I still don't understand why he resigned so soon?
andy_s said:
WCZ said:
spoke to a few of my parents friends last night (56-62 y/o)
2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
Idiots on both sides.2 voted as a 'protest vote', didn't think it was actually going to make a difference and regretted it.
the other 2 voted 'because house prices are too high' (???)
now I've heard it with my own ears, I'm wondering how common these idiotic reasons were.
youngsyr said:
It's not "unnecessarily coloured by bias" in my view at all!
Do we have a stable currency?
Do we have a stable government?
Do we have a stable economy?
The answer to all 3 of those is clearly "No".
Do we have a stable currency? ...it will stabilise, most would of said it was overvalued prior to the referendumDo we have a stable currency?
Do we have a stable government?
Do we have a stable economy?
The answer to all 3 of those is clearly "No".
Do we have a stable government? ..Yes, just a leader election as has happened in the past.
Do we have a stable economy? ...yes, some change will happen but it is in no way "unstable"
Guvernator said:
1) He should have never made the promise of a referendum just to win an election when he probably would have won it without.
2) He should have timed the referendum properly to give everyone a chance to evaluate the decision properly and for some proper analysis of the different scenarios to be carried out. The vote was called too soon and they were very ill-prepared for the outcome.
3) He should have been impartial and used his media influence to try to clear up confusion rather feeding scaremongering soundbites which largely backfired.
4) And most importantly he shouldn't have resigned. You were largely responsible for this mess, at least have the balls to stick around and try to clean it up. I still don't understand why he resigned so soon?
4 because he realised 1, 2 & 3. One of the biggest political miscalculations of modern times (albeit a long way off Blair and war).2) He should have timed the referendum properly to give everyone a chance to evaluate the decision properly and for some proper analysis of the different scenarios to be carried out. The vote was called too soon and they were very ill-prepared for the outcome.
3) He should have been impartial and used his media influence to try to clear up confusion rather feeding scaremongering soundbites which largely backfired.
4) And most importantly he shouldn't have resigned. You were largely responsible for this mess, at least have the balls to stick around and try to clean it up. I still don't understand why he resigned so soon?
Balmoral said:
because he realised 1, 2 & 3. One of the biggest political miscalculations of modern times (albeit a long way off Blair and war).
I was fairly neutral about Cameron before this, not the best PM we've had but certainly not the worst either, that honour falls to Gordon Brown by a long chalk. However I've lost ALL respect for him after this fiasco. Cause one the biggest shakeup's in UK politics for decades and then wash your hands of it. What an utter utter berk. In years to come when tales are recounted of how to commit political suicide, Cameron will be the perfect study case.I expect we will see lots of headlines about companies relocating because of Brexit. Especially while they're desperately trying to find any possible way to reverse or ignore the decision. I also expect most will be overblown or will be attributed to Brexit even if they would have happened anyway.
AJS- said:
I expect we will see lots of headlines about companies relocating because of Brexit. Especially while they're desperately trying to find any possible way to reverse or ignore the decision. I also expect most will be overblown or will be attributed to Brexit even if they would have happened anyway.
There's a company in my industry going round telling people that they've lost hundreds of thousands of pounds a year worth of contracts thanks to brexit. Have they balls. The main one they lost in May, I know because my friend won it (and he's uk based anyway). I think there will be quite a few businesses using brexit as a convenient excuse to blame losses or start restructures that would have happened regardless.Stickyfinger said:
Do we have a stable currency? ...it will stabilise, most would of said it was overvalued prior to the referendum
Do we have a stable government? ..Yes, just a leader election as has happened in the past.
Do we have a stable economy? ...yes, some change will happen but it is in no way "unstable"
Absolute rubbish.Do we have a stable government? ..Yes, just a leader election as has happened in the past.
Do we have a stable economy? ...yes, some change will happen but it is in no way "unstable"
"Most" would NOT have called the GBP over valued before the referendum.
In fact a lot of uncertainty was priced in.
Look how it soared to USD1.50 as traders thought Remain was going to win.
Before Brexit, we were going to see a little rate rise of some sort in the near future.
Now it's going to be a cut.
Right now - we have no PM. At the very moment when we desperately need someone to lead the country we won't have one until September.
And owing to the rapid move in currency and the risk around investing in a country facing serious trade negotiations they just aren't prepared for... people are actively pushing out UK investments.
I am literally looking at a Credit Suisse report showing how their Contstruction volume growth forecast for 2017 has dropped from +5% to -4%.
(They'll be wrong of course but it gives you an idea of the magnitude.)
Those sorts of swings are the very definition of unstable... aren't they...?
Stickyfinger - what would it take for you to describe the economy as unstable?
Given we aren't a third world country, nor about to be taken over by Russia... In relative terms of the developed world we are HUGELY unstable right now, IMHO.
AJS- said:
I expect we will see lots of headlines about companies relocating because of Brexit. Especially while they're desperately trying to find any possible way to reverse or ignore the decision. I also expect most will be overblown or will be attributed to Brexit even if they would have happened anyway.
Everything you previously got used to hearing 'because of Tory austerity' will now be 'because of Brexit'.Stickyfinger said:
youngsyr said:
It's not "unnecessarily coloured by bias" in my view at all!
Do we have a stable currency?
Do we have a stable government?
Do we have a stable economy?
The answer to all 3 of those is clearly "No".
Do we have a stable currency? ...it will stabilise, most would of said it was overvalued prior to the referendumDo we have a stable currency?
Do we have a stable government?
Do we have a stable economy?
The answer to all 3 of those is clearly "No".
Do we have a stable government? ..Yes, just a leader election as has happened in the past.
Do we have a stable economy? ...yes, some change will happen but it is in no way "unstable"
"yes but,..."
"yes but..."
So, "No" then.
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