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longblackcoat said:
The banks have been running private polls. Hence their confidence.
Quite. Banks and hedge funds have had far too much to lose by getting this wrong. They will have thrown obscene amounts of money at private polling to be next to certain about the outcome. Boris, Farage, Villiers and others who've already called it will likewise have had private polling. There's no way on earth they would have been waiting to read the newspapers to get their polling data.
Greg66 said:
longblackcoat said:
The banks have been running private polls. Hence their confidence.
Quite. Banks and hedge funds have had far too much to lose by getting this wrong. They will have thrown obscene amounts of money at private polling to be next to certain about the outcome. Boris, Farage, Villiers and others who've already called it will likewise have had private polling. There's no way on earth they would have been waiting to read the newspapers to get their polling data.
m3jappa said:
rpguk said:
7% UKIP remain 
- WTF
Beat me to it - WTF
very much wtf 
Is that 7% the officially thickest 7% to have ever walked on the planet?
Norfolkit said:
Greg66 said:
longblackcoat said:
The banks have been running private polls. Hence their confidence.
Quite. Banks and hedge funds have had far too much to lose by getting this wrong. They will have thrown obscene amounts of money at private polling to be next to certain about the outcome. Boris, Farage, Villiers and others who've already called it will likewise have had private polling. There's no way on earth they would have been waiting to read the newspapers to get their polling data.
VolvoT5 said:
I'm hoping that a very high turn out might convince people that we need to change our voting system to PR. 1 vote being equal everywhere, rather than a tiny minority of voters in swing seats controlling everything.
That doesn't really work at a national level though. In a general election you are not voting for the party but your MP, then the party with the most MPs win. Does mean that the swing seats hold more power than the rest and your vote is effectively worthless if you are in a safe seat but don't support the popular candidate. This is how UKIP got millions of votes and one MP and the SNP got fewer yet won nearly all the seats they contested.The way MEPs are elected is a bit more democratic in this way, which ironically works in favour of smaller parties like UKIP.
Greg66 said:
Norfolkit said:
Greg66 said:
longblackcoat said:
The banks have been running private polls. Hence their confidence.
Quite. Banks and hedge funds have had far too much to lose by getting this wrong. They will have thrown obscene amounts of money at private polling to be next to certain about the outcome. Boris, Farage, Villiers and others who've already called it will likewise have had private polling. There's no way on earth they would have been waiting to read the newspapers to get their polling data.
Rostfritt said:
That doesn't really work at a national level though. In a general election you are not voting for the party but your MP, then the party with the most MPs win. Does mean that the swing seats hold more power than the rest and your vote is effectively worthless if you are in a safe seat but don't support the popular candidate. This is how UKIP got millions of votes and one MP and the SNP got fewer yet won nearly all the seats they contested.
The way MEPs are elected is a bit more democratic in this way, which ironically works in favour of smaller parties like UKIP.
It is possible to have a PR system and a linked system together so that you have an individual representative but the party with the most % of votes is the government. What we have now is massively flawed.... results in a 2 party system and millions of voters (UKIP, Green, etc) having practically zero representation while others are massively over represented (SNP). If it were a new invention FPTP voting system would not be considered democratic in my view. The way MEPs are elected is a bit more democratic in this way, which ironically works in favour of smaller parties like UKIP.
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