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[PositronicRay]

NF now crying "foul"

[anonymous-user]

PositronicRay said:

NF now crying "foul"

He so lacks class.

[Esseesse]

VolvoT5 said:

Rostfritt said:

That doesn't really work at a national level though. In a general election you are not voting for the party but your MP, then the party with the most MPs win. Does mean that the swing seats hold more power than the rest and your vote is effectively worthless if you are in a safe seat but don't support the popular candidate. This is how UKIP got millions of votes and one MP and the SNP got fewer yet won nearly all the seats they contested.

The way MEPs are elected is a bit more democratic in this way, which ironically works in favour of smaller parties like UKIP.

It is possible to have a PR system and a linked system together so that you have an individual representative but the party with the most % of votes is the government. What we have now is massively flawed.... results in a 2 party system and millions of voters (UKIP, Green, etc) having practically zero representation while others are massively over represented (SNP).

FPTP is a great system with it's inherently adversarial nature, I think we're very fortunate compared to other countries with their endless coalitions. Our problem is dying political parties that stand for little except obtaining office.

[Esseesse]

PositronicRay said:

NF now crying "foul"

I missed that?

[Halb]

Newcastle a slim win for remain...
the Mackies a smash win for leave....

Love the analysis of the loony prof on the beeb right now...

[lostkiwi]

PositronicRay said:

NF should resign as MEP

I can't see how any UKIP MEPs can remain in the European parliament.

[wc98]

Halb said:

Newcastle a slim win for remain...
the Mackies a smash win for leave....

Love the analysis of the loony prof on the beeb right now...

i am a bit bemused by why newcastle was expected to vote remain by a large majority ? any ideas ? apparently it is a lot closer than expected so not a good result for remain. current analysis is a bit confusing , to me anyway.

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

i am a bit bemused by why newcastle was expected to vote remain by a large majority ? any ideas ? apparently it is a lot closer than expected so not a good result for remain. current analysis is a bit confusing , to me anyway.

I think the Prof said university town; lots of young idealist voters. Or something,

[eharding]

Esseesse said:

PositronicRay said:

NF now crying "foul"

I missed that?

Carswell on the BBC saying Farage was out of order to complain about the extended registration, and now putting the boot into Farage's poster campaign.

Interesting times for UKIP.

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

i am a bit bemused by why newcastle was expected to vote remain by a large majority ? any ideas ? apparently it is a lot closer than expected so not a good result for remain. current analysis is a bit confusing , to me anyway.

I think the Prof said university town; lots of young idealist voters. Or something,

[SeeFive]

Well, my pretty little tired reason for me to go to bed has in fact dozed off already, so I am going to let her sleep, open a beer and sit in on this nonsense a little longer.

Bloody immigrants, so lazy.

[VolvoT5]

Esseesse said:

FPTP is a great system with it's inherently adversarial nature, I think we're very fortunate compared to other countries with their endless coalitions. Our problem is dying political parties that stand for little except obtaining office.

The argument for FPTP is that it gives 'strong government', but what is wrong with coalitions? 'strong government' is often a euphemism for the government doing whatever the hell it wants for 4.5 years and being able to ram through any changes it fancies because of the party whip system.

Our political parties are dying because the FPTP system forces a 2 party system - people are forced to join together in parties where they have very little in common with each other because they have no chance of obtaining any power unless they do so. How can it be right that UKIP and Greens only have 2 MPs despite 5.5 million? votes.

Edited by VolvoT5 on Thursday 23 June 23:55

[Esseesse]

eharding said:

Esseesse said:

PositronicRay said:

NF now crying "foul"

I missed that?

Carswell on the BBC saying Farage was out of order to complain about the extended registration, and now putting the boot into Farage's poster campaign.

Interesting times for UKIP.

UKIP has issues. Hmmm genuinely unsure on what is the best way forward for them (although I have thought that for a while).

[Murph7355]

lostkiwi said:

I can't see how any UKIP MEPs can remain in the European parliament.

Trying to reform it from within?

[SeeFive]

ash73 said:

Greg66 said:

PositronicRay said:

NF now crying "foul"

He so lacks class.

I thought his speech was ok, he's like a dog with a bone and I respect people who never to give up. I can't understand why he's been sidelined by his own campaign, I expected him to have a more pivotal role.

Here is the odd thing. How does he know that the late registering voters voted remain?

[vonuber]

Esseesse said:

FPTP is a great system with it's inherently adversarial nature, I think we're very fortunate compared to other countries with their endless coalitions. Our problem is dying political parties that stand for little except obtaining office.

That is a function of FPTP though. It's a really antiquated system that needs changing in my opinion, especially when in the modern age monolithic parties no longer work.

[TheInternet]

PositronicRay said:

NF should resign as MEP

Do you want a full resignation or just the half-hour UKIP-style resignation?

[Mr_B]

lostkiwi said:

I can't see how any UKIP MEPs can remain in the European parliament.

Nice summary of EU logic - no opposition needed.

[VolvoT5]

I'm interested to see what happens in Newcastle.. pollsters are expecting a clear remain win so if it is a narrow win it could indicate this is going to be really close. Remain feeling they are doing better than they had hoped from sampling.

[Myc]

Greg66 said:

I think the Prof said university town; lots of young idealist voters. Or something,

They've created an algorithm based on number of Senior Citizens, Graduates, Students, UKIP Voters and a few other factors to determine the % vote for Exit/Leave and apparently this puts Newcastle at 60% Remain.

Had to laugh at him backtracking on the algorithm before Newcastle has even been announced.