Lots of angry people today.
Discussion
handpaper said:
mph1977 said:
'EU red tape' is the stuff that means that the powerfully built and be-goateed can't send pre-pubescent children up chimneys and to be scalped when fixing broken threads in looms
No, that's the Education Acts (1870-1893), the Factories Act (1948) and the Health and Safety at Work Act (1974)mph1977 said:
it's also the stuff that means that the powerfully built and be-goateed can't refuse to employ someone because they are a funny colour , have ovaries , are LGBT , are a spacker nutter or cripple ...
I think you mean the Race Relations Acts (1965, 1968, 1976), the Equal Pay Act (1970), and the Equality Act (2010)mph1977 said:
it's the stuff that means the powerfully built and be-goateed can't lock the fire escapes and put bars over the windows to prevent the indentured serfs from escaping
Health and Safety at Work Act (1974) againmph1977 said:
it's the stuff that means the powerfully built and be-goateed can;t just sack people because they looked at them funny ...
Employment Rights Act (1996)All UK legislation, most of which predates the Maastricht Treaty and hence the EU.
We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
mph1977 said:
handpaper said:
All UK legislation, most of which predates the Maastricht Treaty and hence the EU.
We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
but that's not what the idiotic fringe believe though ... We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
but BeLeavers evidence, science and fact aren't happy bed fellows ...
I personally think you are the idiotic fringe, but hey ho, everyone to their own.
Oh, and please start sentences correctly, you know (probably don't) with a capital. This is still Britain, even if you don't like democracy and OUT. Standards still mean something to some of us.
And bed fellows is one word.
Everyday is a school day. Some need them!
anonymous said:
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It's an extremely simple question to get to the point and stop going round in circles.I ask with genuine intent to simply pose the question you are seeking to debate, for clarity and in a respectful way and this is your response.
Given you would rather spend longer tapping out some long winded passive aggressive diatribe than simply ANSWER THE QUESTION its clear you don't wish to enter into debate, do not wish to be clear or succinct or enter any discussion of worth.
You're just a grandstanding arrogant fool.
davepoth said:
Not impossible at all. It's not cold fusion, but just getting the EU to sign a treaty with rather lop-sided terms. That happens all the time - look at the deportation treaty we have with the US for example, where the evidential threshold is much higher for the UK to be able to request a deportation than it is for the US.
The key is whether the EU recognises where the power lies in these negotiations, and how interested they are in resolving this quickly, rather than on the terms they want.
Agree, nothing is impossible. Very unlikely though. The key is whether the EU recognises where the power lies in these negotiations, and how interested they are in resolving this quickly, rather than on the terms they want.
anonymous said:
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I haven't insulted you, I'm not sure why you feel the need to be insulting.I'm not here to help im here to debate and I'd like to understand what it is you are trying to debate.
How can I possibly be playing a game by just asking you to clearly state what it is you are trying to debate?
Why is the question so confronting, why can't you just restate your point? what trap are you being led into?
anonymous said:
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I have demonstrated amply in this thread that I am willing to have a discussion when there's a real discussion to be had.But you've shown yourself to be unpleasant and dishonest and I do not believe you want a real discussion.[/quote
What am I going to do with your question apart from use it as the point of discussion?
It's much more enjoyable than aimless point scoring.
Try me.
Funnily enough I was just about to say the same. It's a bit like being back in junior school.
I've just trawled through all the comments made here over the past 7 hours - what a waste of my time !. If a key poster just answered questions sensibly there'd be a greater willingness by others to fully participate, as it is there's little point.
I've just trawled through all the comments made here over the past 7 hours - what a waste of my time !. If a key poster just answered questions sensibly there'd be a greater willingness by others to fully participate, as it is there's little point.
Robertj21a said:
Funnily enough I was just about to say the same. It's a bit like being back in junior school.
I've just trawled through all the comments made here over the past 7 hours - what a waste of my time !. If a key poster just answered questions sensibly there'd be a greater willingness by others to fully participate, as it is there's little point.
Yup! Glad I spent a brief window before I set off for work reading through that drivel!I've just trawled through all the comments made here over the past 7 hours - what a waste of my time !. If a key poster just answered questions sensibly there'd be a greater willingness by others to fully participate, as it is there's little point.
PG - well done for trying at least!
Oh good, they still are moaning all over my Facebook this morning. I'll give them one thing, they've got stamina.
If leaving does result in huge failure, then these people surely have to shoulder some of the blame. Rather than get on and make a go of it, I sense these guys, so resistant to change are they, would rather help it fail, at their own expense too, just so they could say " I told you so".
If leaving does result in huge failure, then these people surely have to shoulder some of the blame. Rather than get on and make a go of it, I sense these guys, so resistant to change are they, would rather help it fail, at their own expense too, just so they could say " I told you so".
I don't think that until the anger subsides (and it will), then it will be difficult to move forward. If the leave side just ride it out for a while things will get better. However, on the other hand it might be better to just leave now and get on with it so that normality can be established sooner.
I guess we will see what happens this week. It's good to see politicians from all parties seeming to call for calm this morning.
I guess we will see what happens this week. It's good to see politicians from all parties seeming to call for calm this morning.
A superb speech here for the Remain :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY
Kind of makes the Remain crowd seem the uneducated lot.
To paraphrase one of the more pertinent statements : "How low does trade have to go with the EU before we drop the bizarre idea that we need to merge our political institutions with those of neighboring countries in order to have a minority say over common standards in the only declining bloc in the world"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY
Kind of makes the Remain crowd seem the uneducated lot.
To paraphrase one of the more pertinent statements : "How low does trade have to go with the EU before we drop the bizarre idea that we need to merge our political institutions with those of neighboring countries in order to have a minority say over common standards in the only declining bloc in the world"
Edited by TheGuru on Monday 27th June 08:53
bmw535i said:
I don't think that until the anger subsides (and it will), then it will be difficult to move forward. If the leave side just ride it out for a while things will get better. However, on the other hand it might be better to just leave now and get on with it so that normality can be established sooner.
I guess we will see what happens this week. It's good to see politicians from all parties seeming to call for calm this morning.
Anger may subside in the short term, but I think it is then going to grow, and grow massively.I guess we will see what happens this week. It's good to see politicians from all parties seeming to call for calm this morning.
I also don't think it will be the remain side getting angry. It will be the bulk of the leave side that will get angry, as I cannot think of any time since we won WW2 and promptly got utterly f
ked by the Americans to the point where we would probably have been better off on the losing side that any British "winners" will have been so monumentally screwed in their moment of "victory".To my mind, it is painfully obvious from watching the news coverage since the result was announced that the view looking forwards for the likes of Johnson, Gove and Hannan is utterly different from and utterly irreconcilable with that of the core leave voters in the North or England and East Anglia.
What is equally clear is that the Leave elite couldn't give a flying f
k about the desires of those core voters, as they know they'd never ever vote for them in a national election anyway. There really are vast swathes of the UK population who actually believe they've voted for EU immigrants to be sent home, and once they realise that that's not going to happen and was never going to happen, I think the anger will really explode.
So far, all the leaders of the leave camp seem to have been doing is backtracking on every belief their supporters had, whilst making it clear that they're going to have nothing to do with that greasy little oik Farage moving forward.
I don't particularly like Farage, but I do at least respect the fact that he has been a single issue politician on this particular issue for 25+ years, so his commitment to it is beyond doubt. His treatment now tells me all I need to know about the intentions of Johnson, Gove et al.
Kermit power said:
So far, all the leaders of the leave camp seem to have been doing is backtracking on every belief their supporters had, whilst making it clear that they're going to have nothing to do with that greasy little oik Farage moving forward.
Its been three days and so far all we have had is an article from Boris saying immigration should now be subject to a points based system.If they still allow free movement as a price for being in the single market then yes they will have betrayed many leave voters. But we don't know yet.
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