Lots of angry people today.

[Kermit power]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Kermit power said:

How do you figure that one out?

We were taken into the EU by a democratically elected government to whom we had granted a mandate at the ballot box, and therefore there was a mandate for joining the EU. That's how British politics works.

If you want all decisions large or small to be decided by direct referendum to ensure that they have a recognisable individual mandate, we're all going to be rather busy moving forwards!

As you well know the nature of the EU was entirely altered by subterfuge, Maastrict, Lisbon (in detail if not in name), were some of the latter instruments.

No one ever voted for a British government intending them to cede sovereignty to an EU dictatorship.

Nevertheless, at every step, it was a democratically elected British government with a mandate from the people that signed the treaties.

[TeamD]

lostkiwi said:

That was my experience as well. That said my circle of friends tends to be professionals and white collar workers so not representative of the Brexit voters.

Were you to use such a sweeping generalisation under other circumstances there would be screams of "bigot!" throughout the land.

For the record, I am degree educated from a time when they didn't come free with a box of shreddies, I voted leave, and I voted leave for other reasons than immigration, that component was minimal if I even considered at all.

[lostkiwi]

TeamD said:

lostkiwi said:

That was my experience as well. That said my circle of friends tends to be professionals and white collar workers so not representative of the Brexit voters.

Were you to use such a sweeping generalisation under other circumstances there would be screams of "bigot!" throughout the land.

For the record, I am degree educated from a time when they didn't come free with a box of shreddies, I voted leave, and I voted leave for other reasons than immigration, that component was minimal if I even considered at all.

Fair comment! Maybe not so well worded then!!!

[Kermit power]

Murph7355 said:

Kermit power said:

There has been much talk since the result about how out of touch Westminster leaders were with the rest of the country, and guess what? Gove, Johnson and co were all Westminster leaders too!

But people on the Leave side of the debate...so as far as their high level stance is concerned, waaaaaaaaaaay more in touch than people like Cameron and Osborne. And they now know that there's a real need for politicians to listen and be transparent with reasoning.

I don't think that's true. They may have been more in touch with the typical PHer who voted leave, but I don't think any of the leaders on either side of the debate (or the typical PHer, for that matter) were any more in touch with the man on the street in Hartlepool than the Pope.

[AJS-]

Kermitpower
Joining a political union is not some trivial decision that you bury in a broad ranging manifesto and assume people are ok with it if they vote for any of the major political parties.

When it was mentioned it was usually brushed off as a trade deal, and we were told that "real people" cared about jobs, the NHS etc and only a small group of eccentrics cared about sovereignty.

MarshPhantom
I think that is just an inevitable feature of a close referendum like this. Plenty of people are pushing for another referendum. I'm not going to claim any high ground here. I'm against it because I am happy with the result we got.

Farage says lots of things but you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have got a second referendum this parliament had the results been reversed.

Edited by AJS- on Monday 27th June 11:05

[MarshPhantom]

Mr Whippy said:

MarshPhantom said:

Trading in Barclays [-10%] and RBS [-15%} shares suspended following big falls this morning.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/barclays-...

The tin foil hatter in me thinks this referendum 'crisis' has been the perfect catalyst and scapegoat for triggering the next systemic economic collapse.

Had that collapse occured in isolation at a random time, it'd be clear the banks had simply failed to get their act in order and no one could have made a bit of cash on the side.
But against a backdrop of the referendum all the bailouts for Italy and Spain, and perhaps UK banks, can go about because 'democracy badness', rather than because 'crap banks', and those with insider information can play it for a few squid.

Dave

Foxtons shares down 25%. Every cloud...

Easyjet taken a big hit too.

[Kermit power]

TeamD said:

lostkiwi said:

That was my experience as well. That said my circle of friends tends to be professionals and white collar workers so not representative of the Brexit voters.

Were you to use such a sweeping generalisation under other circumstances there would be screams of "bigot!" throughout the land.

For the record, I am degree educated from a time when they didn't come free with a box of shreddies, I voted leave, and I voted leave for other reasons than immigration, that component was minimal if I even considered at all.

Which, the statistics would suggest, means that you are not representative of the typical Brexit voter either. Nobody is suggesting that they were only poorly educated people, but a very large proportion of them were.

[TeamD]

lostkiwi said:

TeamD said:

lostkiwi said:

That was my experience as well. That said my circle of friends tends to be professionals and white collar workers so not representative of the Brexit voters.

Were you to use such a sweeping generalisation under other circumstances there would be screams of "bigot!" throughout the land.

For the record, I am degree educated from a time when they didn't come free with a box of shreddies, I voted leave, and I voted leave for other reasons than immigration, that component was minimal if I even considered at all.

Fair comment! Maybe not so well worded then!!!

That's what you get for having a degree in Computer Science

[MarshPhantom]

Mr_B said:

MarshPhantom said:

AJS- said:

Funny to hear remainers complaining that 52% isn't much of a mandate, when you consider that they never had a mandate to be in the EU in the first place.

Possibly because Farage said previously a 52% vote to stay would be unfinished business and he would fight for a second referendum.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-ref...


One rule for your guys, a different one for ours.

Sure you can have another, but only after the same 40 year gap. See ya in 40 years

Unlike now there was a huge majority to join. 67% voted in.

[Mr_B]

MarshPhantom said:

Mr_B said:

MarshPhantom said:

AJS- said:

Funny to hear remainers complaining that 52% isn't much of a mandate, when you consider that they never had a mandate to be in the EU in the first place.

Possibly because Farage said previously a 52% vote to stay would be unfinished business and he would fight for a second referendum.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-ref...


One rule for your guys, a different one for ours.

Sure you can have another, but only after the same 40 year gap. See ya in 40 years

Unlike now there was a huge majority to join. 67% voted in.

They did indeed, but voted for something vastly different to the EU of today, which doesn't now have the support of the public.
If you are running to what Farage has said and holding him up, you might look a touch hypocritical yourself.

Out of interest though, since the vote has taken place, do you feel in asking for another referendum that you have no obligation for the UK to have left the EU first and there to have been a period of time and results for people to then vote on, or just call one the day after because you don't like the result ?

[lostkiwi]

TeamD said:

lostkiwi said:

TeamD said:

lostkiwi said:

That was my experience as well. That said my circle of friends tends to be professionals and white collar workers so not representative of the Brexit voters.

Were you to use such a sweeping generalisation under other circumstances there would be screams of "bigot!" throughout the land.

For the record, I am degree educated from a time when they didn't come free with a box of shreddies, I voted leave, and I voted leave for other reasons than immigration, that component was minimal if I even considered at all.

Fair comment! Maybe not so well worded then!!!

That's what you get for having a degree in Computer Science

Erm.... I have no degree in Computer Science!

[Sump]

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

[WinstonWolf]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

A worrying proportion of Brits don't understand the concept of democracy?

[Johnnytheboy]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

If you add "a lot of remainers didn't seem that bothered until they lost, and then went a bit mental on social media."

[AJS-]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

It sounds like a good summary of everything the scaremongering press have been banging on about over the weekend.

[Beati Dogu]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

Only if you're the so-called-BBC.

[Soov535]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

Brexit won
Brexit campaigners don't need to do anything, see above
EU is petulant and has spat dummy because they know that they are now doomed
Cameron has done the decent thing
Labour is committing suicide
UK markets a bit volatile due to derivatives trading on the outcome of the referendum, now settling
Tough
Tough

[Ste1987]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

A worrying portion of racist brexiters think leaving the EU means we can kick out all foreigners

[Stig]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

Can you let us know what that portion was, rather than basing it on media hysteria from a few well chosen bregreters (if indeed they were legit to start with)?

[Mr_B]

Sump said:

So is this a good sumamry?

Brexit won.
Brexit campaigners disappeared.
EU is pissed off and want us out.
Cameron has done a runner.
Parties are fighting.
UK is going into a somewhat recession.
A worrying portion of brexiters regret their deciscion.
A worrying portion of brexiters started searching for what the EU is the day after.

Put some numbers against your "a worrying proportion of " and the "disappeared " and it might have some credibility.