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Boris has just come out and said that he doesn't want any practical change to EU relationship, apart from UK not being subject to ECJ... Apparently he wants that to be the 'only change'
So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
Edited by wisbech on Monday 27th June 00:19
Brilliantwisbech said:
Boris has just come out and said that he doesn't want any practical change to EU relationship, apart from UK not being subject to ECHR...
So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
No he didn't. It's quite clear in the telegraph column he wrote.So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-canno...
BoJo said:
Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry.
anonymous said:
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Co-operate less with foreigners?Nationalist populism in the past?
Fair enough, you didn't actually say we were all racist, inward looking morons but you appear to be leaning in the same way that many others, that have gone on to make those accusations, do. As for denying that you have passed the Godwin threshold, please tell us which decade in which country you meant when you referred to nationalist populism in the past.
Oh, you forgot to tell us all how YOU would refute the accusation that YOU co-operate less with foreigners or are succumbing to nationalist populism. Apparently me informing you of my international connections was classically funny, so you must have some better evidence to hand should anyone accuse you!
davepoth said:
wisbech said:
Boris has just come out and said that he doesn't want any practical change to EU relationship, apart from UK not being subject to ECHR...
So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
No he didn't. It's quite clear in the telegraph column he wrote.So no change on immigration, regulations, free market etc.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-canno...
BoJo said:
Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry.
Pommygranite said:
I ask again, what is it you are actually trying to debate?
He has absolutely no idea. I keep hearing him talk about point scoring though - perhaps he's trying to win the Internet. Who knows - hopefully he'll think a bit clearer when his anger subsides. The thread seems to get a bit silly every time he gets involved. wisbech said:
Impossible to then have free movement of British people to the EU then, unless we don't mind them using points based system on us.
Not impossible at all. It's not cold fusion, but just getting the EU to sign a treaty with rather lop-sided terms. That happens all the time - look at the deportation treaty we have with the US for example, where the evidential threshold is much higher for the UK to be able to request a deportation than it is for the US.The key is whether the EU recognises where the power lies in these negotiations, and how interested they are in resolving this quickly, rather than on the terms they want.
mph1977 said:
'EU red tape' is the stuff that means that the powerfully built and be-goateed can't send pre-pubescent children up chimneys and to be scalped when fixing broken threads in looms
No, that's the Education Acts (1870-1893), the Factories Act (1948) and the Health and Safety at Work Act (1974)mph1977 said:
it's also the stuff that means that the powerfully built and be-goateed can't refuse to employ someone because they are a funny colour , have ovaries , are LGBT , are a spacker nutter or cripple ...
I think you mean the Race Relations Acts (1965, 1968, 1976), the Equal Pay Act (1970), and the Equality Act (2010)mph1977 said:
it's the stuff that means the powerfully built and be-goateed can't lock the fire escapes and put bars over the windows to prevent the indentured serfs from escaping
Health and Safety at Work Act (1974) againmph1977 said:
it's the stuff that means the powerfully built and be-goateed can;t just sack people because they looked at them funny ...
Employment Rights Act (1996)All UK legislation, most of which predates the Maastricht Treaty and hence the EU.
We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
At least Jeremy believes in democracy
EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn vows to fight for leadership and reshape cabinet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956
EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn vows to fight for leadership and reshape cabinet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956
anonymous said:
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It's a very simple question - it doesn't need a politicians answer.I have read this whole thread through twice, all of your responses, thoughts and views and there is no clarity of what you are actually trying to debate, dispute, clarify or talk to.
All I can see is that you believe that 17 million people are deluded, stupid or nasty. That's a subjective view but not a question for a debate.
Now I am not arguing I am genuinely, simply trying to get you clarify specifically what the actual point is that you are seeking to debate as in amongst all the back and forth it's been lost.
Now, with 34,000+ posts you're not too lazy to tap out a few words so for the sake of clarity and to get on with this debate you seek just take a moment to specifically state what it is you wish to debate.
anonymous said:
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It's a very simple question - it doesn't need a politicians answer.I have read this whole thread through twice, all of your responses, thoughts and views and there is no clarity of what you are actually trying to debate, dispute, clarify or talk to.
All I can see is that you believe that 17 million people are deluded, stupid or nasty. That's a subjective view but not a question for a debate.
Now I am not arguing I am genuinely, simply trying to get you clarify specifically what the actual point is that you are seeking to debate as in amongst all the back and forth it's been lost.
Now, with 34,000+ posts you're not too lazy to tap out a few words so for the sake of clarity and to get on with this debate you seek just take a moment to specifically state what it is you wish to debate.
handpaper said:
All UK legislation, most of which predates the Maastricht Treaty and hence the EU.
We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
but that's not what the idiotic fringe believe though ... We don't need the EU to act decently; we were doing it before we joined and I've no doubt we will continue after we have left.
but BeLeavers evidence, science and fact aren't happy bed fellows ...
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