Lots of angry people today.
Discussion
Voting to remain is/was a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and as someone with a business dependant on long term investment it was the prudent thing to do. Prudence makes sense in business.
As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
blueg33 said:
Voting to remain is/was a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and as someone with a business dependant on long term investment it was the prudent thing to do. Prudence makes sense in business.
As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
Absolutely true, those who voted leave have taken one giant leap into the dark with our economy, the only certainty is that we will see a downturn, for how long is anyone's guess. I have already seen the effects in terms of a number of stalled orders with two businesses I am involved with and the outlook from the IOD suggests there is worse to come. Still, at least we got our country back, though once the national debt starts climbing again it will effectively be owned by our creditors.As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
Have to agree with cmoose.
Even as a Kiwi I've had abuse about being here even though I've paid higher rate tax for 25 years, have thd right to vote in general elections, had thd right to vote in the referendum, have thd right to use the same passport channels as British born people even though I travel on a Non-EU or British passport.
In nearly 30 years of living in the UK this is first time my nationality has been used in this way.
It's sad thd rascist/xenophobic element of leave feel they now have a mandate to behave in that way.
Even as a Kiwi I've had abuse about being here even though I've paid higher rate tax for 25 years, have thd right to vote in general elections, had thd right to vote in the referendum, have thd right to use the same passport channels as British born people even though I travel on a Non-EU or British passport.
In nearly 30 years of living in the UK this is first time my nationality has been used in this way.
It's sad thd rascist/xenophobic element of leave feel they now have a mandate to behave in that way.
There's even anger at those who voted remain and then had the temerity to get behind the Brexit project post referendum. Evidence that the remainers really don't want to move on.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683767/Lily-Allen...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683767/Lily-Allen...
blueg33 said:
Voting to remain is/was a perfectly legitimate thing to do, and as someone with a business dependant on long term investment it was the prudent thing to do. Prudence makes sense in business.
As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
The first sentence is your opinion based upon your own business. It may be prudent to do. Long term investment may depend on the EU. For other businesses it may not.As for people who voted leave denigrating people who voted stay, then that is just as pathetic as labelling The Brexit supporters as universally racist.
It cannot, however, be denied that controlling immigration particularly from Easter European states was a key part of the reasoning and campaign, and no one who voted to exit can say that they know" that the economy will be ok, they can only guess and hope, as this scenario is entirely untested in any economy anywhere in the world.
The only denigrating I've seen in the last 4 days on here is towards Leave voters. Apparently we're all stupid. And old. And racist. And stupid, old and racist. And want to see this country harmed.
I'm glad you included the "controlling" word though. Many Remainers conveniently forgot it in the run up to the vote and have persisted in doing so after.
As for the last bit, no one could ahead of the vote. No one can now. There's been a lot of volatility before and after the vote, all of which makes for good headlines but not much else until things settle down. Let's see where we are next week and then next month, and let's compare against a longer horizon and also not just look at our own markets. If I lose 3% but my "rival" loses 6%, I won't take the loss quite so badly (would still be irritating mind).
voyds9 said:
So show a photograph of actual refugees is racist, I think I need that one explaining to me.
If he had changed their faces, or used a photo of people say going to an event in the wrong context I would agree with you
But as far as I can find out it is a legitimate photo of Slovenians crossing the Croatian border.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/06/...
If those are Slovenian refugees, then...If he had changed their faces, or used a photo of people say going to an event in the wrong context I would agree with you
But as far as I can find out it is a legitimate photo of Slovenians crossing the Croatian border.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/06/...
1. The photo must be from 1991 at the latest.
2. They would've all turned round and buggered off home within 10 days at the most, after Slovenia won a decisive victory.
3. They'd have been pretty bloody pissed off if they had crossed into Croatia, given that the Croatian war of independence lasted years rather than days!
Even setting that aside, why exactly is it fair to expect a small country like Slovenia to deal with tens of thousands of refugees all on their own? We should've been taking our fair share out of common humanity in the first place.
anonymous said:
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I did explain it. In a nutshell, I think it displayed a level of contempt for democracy and for the people of this country that is horrifying. The poster is just a poster. It shows a large number of immigrants to Europe in a discussion on immigration and our relationship with Europe.
bmw535i said:
There's even anger at those who voted remain and then had the temerity to get behind the Brexit project post referendum. Evidence that the remainers really don't want to move on.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683767/Lily-Allen...
More evidence further down in the same link - 'Democracy has failed us... Glastonbury's millionaire musicians mourn'.http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683767/Lily-Allen...
anonymous said:
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He was forced into the referendum by a rash promise before the election which he expected to give away as part of a coalition deal. This was aimed at uniting his own party and warding off the threat from UKIP. Fair enough, he followed through with this.Britain isn't Zimbabwe. It's not so easy to off your opponents or lose enough ballot boxes to get the results you want, so that was never an option. But in a more sophisticated way he showed a contempt for the public that I think is unforgivable and an attitude to democracy which is best described as "fine, if I get the right outcome."
AJS- said:
He was forced into the referendum by a rash promise before the election which he expected to give away as part of a coalition deal. This was aimed at uniting his own party and warding off the threat from UKIP. Fair enough, he followed through with this.
Britain isn't Zimbabwe. It's not so easy to off your opponents or lose enough ballot boxes to get the results you want, so that was never an option. But in a more sophisticated way he showed a contempt for the public that I think is unforgivable and an attitude to democracy which is best described as "fine, if I get the right outcome."
He'd have been fine if the damn peasants had just used the pencils like they were supposed to.Britain isn't Zimbabwe. It's not so easy to off your opponents or lose enough ballot boxes to get the results you want, so that was never an option. But in a more sophisticated way he showed a contempt for the public that I think is unforgivable and an attitude to democracy which is best described as "fine, if I get the right outcome."
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