Lots of angry people today.

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Robertj21a

16,478 posts

106 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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blueg33 said:
No, much better, self contained apartments for adults with profound disabilities.
Good for you. A very deserving occupation with, I guess, a lot of job satisfaction.

blueg33

35,990 posts

225 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Robertj21a said:
blueg33 said:
No, much better, self contained apartments for adults with profound disabilities.
Good for you. A very deserving occupation with, I guess, a lot of job satisfaction.
Thanks. It started out as a paper exercise to make money. But then I met the residents of the first development before and after they moved in. Having s decent home of their own has huge benefits for them and reduced care costs for the state.

I am very proud of what we do. We built the first development 3 years ago and now complete about 400 apartments a year. Makes up for being a bd developer smile

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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blueg33 said:
Robertj21a said:
blueg33 said:
No, much better, self contained apartments for adults with profound disabilities.
Good for you. A very deserving occupation with, I guess, a lot of job satisfaction.
Thanks. It started out as a paper exercise to make money. But then I met the residents of the first development before and after they moved in. Having s decent home of their own has huge benefits for them and reduced care costs for the state.

I am very proud of what we do. We built the first development 3 years ago and now complete about 400 apartments a year. Makes up for being a bd developer smile
I would suggest that you don't deserve that association (but I think you know that) - well done and you should rightly be proud

wc98

10,416 posts

141 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Whoozit said:
Sorry, I can't let that one slide. I spent chunks of the past 3 years raising capital for the Greek banks. The problems of Greece were caused by the Greeks economical with the truth on their national statistics in order to squeak over the bar for EU membership. Taxation didn't keep up with spending promises, especially in the state/pensions sectors let alone economic development, due to Greeks treating underreporting their income as a national sport. The moment a crisis hits and incomes naturally reduce, non-performing loans across the banks ramped up massively simultaneous with the govt having its cheque book taken away by Europe and no meaningful political will to increase taxes and reduce public spending.

Yes, it's a horrible scenario and yes, ordinary people are suffering. That's what happens in mismanaged economies.

In none of this were the bankers primarily to blame. Possibly too eager to extend loans for expensive property in a low interest rate environment. That was never a Greek-specific failing. And the moment banks try to be more credit conscious, the politicians scream and shout.
just read this excellent link provided by fblm on another thread. you are somewhat correct. not just greece though. appears the entire eurozone is living on borrowed time. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-tic...

Elysium

13,851 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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don4l said:
Let me see if I understand the Remain position.

Fewer houses will be built.

Prices will fall.

I think that I can spot a little investment opportunity.
I think you have things in the wrong order:

1. Uncertainty will slow the housing market

2. Lending criteria will tighten as banks prepare themselves for tougher times ahead

3. Prices will soften .. a little.

4. Housebuilders will slow development managing their cashflow and restricting supply to match reduced demand in order to maintain pricing


wc98

10,416 posts

141 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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blueg33 said:
Thanks. It started out as a paper exercise to make money. But then I met the residents of the first development before and after they moved in. Having s decent home of their own has huge benefits for them and reduced care costs for the state.

I am very proud of what we do. We built the first development 3 years ago and now complete about 400 apartments a year. Makes up for being a bd developer smile
excellent . having a mother in law that lost the ability to walk at the age of 45 and can now barely talk due to ms, i know just how important the ability to maintain some form of independent living is to someone affected by disability. you really are making a huge difference to peoples quality of life.

Whoozit

3,611 posts

270 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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wc98 said:
just read this excellent link provided by fblm on another thread. you are somewhat correct. not just greece though. appears the entire eurozone is living on borrowed time. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-tic...
Precisely. What makes me wildly angry is i) since Maastricht, the EU's core rationale is the Euro, with little or no thought for those wanting to stay just in the political/trade union ( and so we find ourselves here today) and ii) the need for fiscal union, else crises, was demonstrated to me at undergrad level 25 years ago using basic economics BY THE TEACHING ASSISTANT.


chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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fatboy18

18,955 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Strange poster?

Soov535

35,829 posts

272 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133


blueg33

35,990 posts

225 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
I suspect that's because people realise that we haven't left yet, or even started to leave (probably drop after article 50 is invoked). Weak pound also allows American investors to buy shares in UK companies at a cheap price

jshell

11,032 posts

206 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
250 recovering too, but slower. Even the BBC have had to back-off the doom, death and total destruction in the face of reality!

Timmy40

12,915 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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jshell said:
Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
250 recovering too, but slower. Even the BBC have had to back-off the doom, death and total destruction in the face of reality!
I got a bit annoyed with that too. Poor old BBC it lost the last election, and now it's lost the referendum. It must be wondering why people won't do as they're told anymore.

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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jshell said:
Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
250 recovering too, but slower. Even the BBC have had to back-off the doom, death and total destruction in the face of reality!
Dead cats are very bouncy...

joscal

2,079 posts

201 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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They also have nine lives..

Soov535

35,829 posts

272 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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TTwiggy said:
jshell said:
Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
250 recovering too, but slower. Even the BBC have had to back-off the doom, death and total destruction in the face of reality!
Dead cats are very bouncy...
Please. This isn't a DCB. Look at the trend.

gooner1

10,223 posts

180 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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How much of an indicator are Government Bonds?

Sam All

3,101 posts

102 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Soov535 said:
TTwiggy said:
jshell said:
Soov535 said:
FTSE now above pre Brexit level.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36660133
250 recovering too, but slower. Even the BBC have had to back-off the doom, death and total destruction in the face of reality!
Dead cats are very bouncy...
Please. This isn't a DCB. Look at the trend.
As has been often stated, the UK economy and the FTSE 100 are not the same thing - there was overreaction on the FTSE100. I'd be more concerned about some of the European indices.

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Meanwhile, the BBC carries on doom mongering.

Apparently, a bank that nobody ever heard of is not going to lend money to foreigners to buy London property.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36670075

Boo, bloody hoo.


Hoofy

76,396 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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don4l said:
Meanwhile, the BBC carries on doom mongering.

Apparently, a bank that nobody ever heard of is not going to lend money to foreigners to buy London property.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36670075

Boo, bloody hoo.
Well, good. I hope fewer foreigners invest in property as this forces all property prices up. Doesn't help that there's already high demand for property from people who want to live in those homes.
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