Lots of angry people today.

[vonuber]

All that jazz said:

Because of the way you are endlessly whining about it. You seem to be under some illusion that any jobs you take are for life and can never lead to redundancy nor change in any way. Well here's some news for you : they can and do. The referendum result sent ripples through my industry too but you don't see me ranting on internet forums like a spoilt child because people didn't vote to protect my job/industry. You need to grow the fk up. No-one cares that your company has lost 3 contracts and no amount of crying and finger pointing will change that. Deal with it.

No, but i do see you being overly abusive towards people! Keyboard warriors eh.

Fact is that this is entirely self inflicted and was completely avoidable.

[grumbledoak]

vonuber said:

Fact is that this is entirely self inflicted and was completely avoidable.

Clearly the majority either did not have your job security, or could see it for the illusion it always turns out to be.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do about it.

[jjlynn27]

bmw535i said:

Yes
Not necessarily- doubt it'll make it worse though
Not exclusively

A comment on second point; Theresa May looks to become new PM. Check her dealing with the police. It is widely accepted that, in short to medium term we are heading for economic downturn. If you think that this will not affect public services, I think that you are mistaken, it will be one of the first areas to be asked to do 'efficiency savings'.

[All that jazz]

jjlynn27 said:

All that jazz said:

Because of the way you are endlessly whining about it. You seem to be under some illusion that any jobs you take are for life and can never lead to redundancy nor change in any way. Well here's some news for you : they can and do. The referendum result sent ripples through my industry too but you don't see me ranting on internet forums like a spoilt child because people didn't vote to protect my job/industry. You need to grow the fk up. No-one cares that your company has lost 3 contracts and no amount of crying and finger pointing will change that. Deal with it.

As per title of this topic, you seem to be very angry. Unclench. You are not here to decide who posts what. If you don't like it, you can always report his post. Or skip it on a way to find another post that agrees with you.

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

[jjlynn27]

All that jazz said:

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

It would seem that a lot of things are 'beyond you'. 'Lashing out'? . Forgive me for not taking an advice from someone like you.

[230TE]

All that jazz said:

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

I'm more amused than angry myself. Six months ago you would have struggled to find anyone on PH who had a good word to say about the EU. Now we are being told it is the best thing since sliced bread, rather than a 28-member clusterfk which manages to combine dirigiste socialism, corporatist pseudo-capitalism and jobs for the boys protectionism, all wrapped up in the most dysfunctional system of decision making this side of Tripoli.

The EU cannot go on as it is. Without fundamental reform it will collapse under the weight of its internal contradictions, and if people think the current situation is messy, wait and see what a disorderly disintegration looks like, with every country fighting to salvage their own national interests from the wreckage. The only hope is for someone to chuck a hand grenade into the works. The Greeks tried that but forgot to pull the pin out, so the EU corrected their mistake and lobbed the grenade straight back. Now it's our turn.

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

A comment on second point; Theresa May looks to become new PM. Check her dealing with the police. It is widely accepted that, in short to medium term we are heading for economic downturn. If you think that this will not affect public services, I think that you are mistaken, it will be one of the first areas to be asked to do 'efficiency savings'.

I'm sure it will affect the public sector. I can't see how it can get much worse than it already has - for me. I'm likely to get a £2k a year pay cut in the next couple of years due to pay reform. Having received effective pay cuts for the last few years, I very much doubt Brexit will cause much more hardship for me.

If Liam Fox gets in (doubtful) it will benfit me.

[All that jazz]

230TE said:

All that jazz said:

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

I'm more amused than angry myself. Six months ago you would have struggled to find anyone on PH who had a good word to say about the EU. Now we are being told it is the best thing since sliced bread, rather than a 28-member clusterfk which manages to combine dirigiste socialism, corporatist pseudo-capitalism and jobs for the boys protectionism, all wrapped up in the most dysfunctional system of decision making this side of Tripoli.

The EU cannot go on as it is. Without fundamental reform it will collapse under the weight of its internal contradictions, and if people think the current situation is messy, wait and see what a disorderly disintegration looks like, with every country fighting to salvage their own national interests from the wreckage. The only hope is for someone to chuck a hand grenade into the works. The Greeks tried that but forgot to pull the pin out, so the EU corrected their mistake and lobbed the grenade straight back. Now it's our turn.

But.. but.. but.. what about the 3 contracts my company has lost?

[jjlynn27]

bmw535i said:

I'm sure it will affect the public sector. I can't see how it can get much worse than it already has - for me. I'm likely to get a £2k a year pay cut in the next couple of years due to pay reform. Having received effective pay cuts for the last few years, I very much doubt Brexit will cause much more hardship for me.

If Liam Fox gets in (doubtful) it will benfit me.

My comment was in general about public services, as I don't know what you do / your circumstances. The point being that May will have to save money, somewhere.
In any case, good luck.

[vonuber]

All that jazz said:

But.. but.. but.. what about the 3 contracts my company has lost?

You really are thick aren't you. Let me explain it in very simple terms so you might grasp it.

My small team has had 3 projects cancelled in a week by clients pulling out funding. We are only 10 out of an office of 600 - other disicplines are also having things cancelled as they are interconnected. Multiply this across our uk workforce of about 10,000 you begin to see the scale.
Given the nature of the work there is a huge supply chain which stems from what we do - often lasting for years - which dwarf our fees. This goes right down to small traders.

If we don't have work, they don't have work. So yes, it's not just a worry for us.

Understand now?

[Sam All]

vonuber said:

All that jazz said:

But.. but.. but.. what about the 3 contracts my company has lost?

You really are thick aren't you. Let me explain it in very simple terms so you might grasp it.

My small team has had 3 projects cancelled in a week by clients pulling out funding. We are only 10 out of an office of 600 - other disicplines are also having things cancelled as they are interconnected. Multiply this across our uk workforce of about 10,000 you begin to see the scale.
Given the nature of the work there is a huge supply chain which stems from what we do - often lasting for years - which dwarf our fees. This goes right down to small traders.

If we don't have work, they don't have work. So yes, it's not just a worry for us.

Understand now?

Sounds a lot like me, me ,me , me, me, me ,me. Seriously, spend time looking at alternative jobs than bhing on a forum about what happened - st happens and it will happen again and again.

Have you ever experienced a recession?

[Mr Whippy]

Sam All said:

vonuber said:

All that jazz said:

But.. but.. but.. what about the 3 contracts my company has lost?

You really are thick aren't you. Let me explain it in very simple terms so you might grasp it.

My small team has had 3 projects cancelled in a week by clients pulling out funding. We are only 10 out of an office of 600 - other disicplines are also having things cancelled as they are interconnected. Multiply this across our uk workforce of about 10,000 you begin to see the scale.
Given the nature of the work there is a huge supply chain which stems from what we do - often lasting for years - which dwarf our fees. This goes right down to small traders.

If we don't have work, they don't have work. So yes, it's not just a worry for us.

Understand now?

Sounds a lot like me, me ,me , me, me, me ,me. Seriously, spend time looking at alternative jobs than bhing on a forum about what happened - st happens and it will happen again and again.

Have you ever experienced a recession?

Exactly, st happens all the time already.

Brexit is just more of the same st.

Adapt and thrive. Or don't and die. Pretty simple.


But it seems a huge swell of people and businesses now just think the EU will do everything for them. What a foolish mistake. Greece anyone? Italy?

Dave

[JagLover]

Mr Whippy said:

But it seems a huge swell of people and businesses now just think the EU will do everything for them. What a foolish mistake. Greece anyone? Italy?

Dave

and are willing to sacrifice hardwon democratic freedoms to avoid any impact, no matter how short term, upon their lifestyles.

I always expected short term economic disruption and voted for leave anyway. For three reasons
a) in twenty years time it will be a blip on an historic growth chart,
b) some things are more important than money,
c) much of the growth we have had hasn't benefited a broad chunk of society.

[230TE]

Mr Whippy said:

But it seems a huge swell of people and businesses now just think the EU will do everything for them. What a foolish mistake. Greece anyone? Italy?

Dave

I think the situation in the Eurozone periphery should be worrying us a lot more than it does. Back in 2008 mass unemployment in Italy, Spain, Greece etc might have been dismissed as a temporary blip: now it's starting to look structural and permanent. In its present form the EU cannot do either of the two things that might help - cut those countries loose from the single currency, or send them truckloads of cash - and you wonder how much longer the people of those countries will be prepared to suffer with no hope of salvation.

[walm]

JagLover said:

Mr Whippy said:

But it seems a huge swell of people and businesses now just think the EU will do everything for them. What a foolish mistake. Greece anyone? Italy?

Dave

and are willing to sacrifice hardwon democratic freedoms to avoid any impact, no matter how short term, upon their lifestyles.

I always expected short term economic disruption and voted for leave anyway. For three reasons
a) in twenty years time it will be a blip on an historic growth chart,
b) some things are more important than money,
c) much of the growth we have had hasn't benefited a broad chunk of society.

Thanks for helping us exercise those democratic freedoms by having a say in our next Prime Minister.
We get to vote for them, right? Right?

Mind you at least we will regain control of our borders with no free movement of labour any more.
Right?

And of course, a vote to leave will instantly resolve wealth inequality because... wibble wibble hatstand...
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that being a member or not of the EU makes any difference at all to the direction and speed of growth for different segments of society.

Given such a comprehensive rationale you might see why SOME people (those who can construct and argument involving premises based on analysis, research and the odd fact) might find the leave vote difficult to understand, while not particularly liking the EU itself.

[don4l]

vonuber said:

You really are thick aren't you. Let me explain it in very simple terms so you might grasp it.

Thick?

He didn't suggest that you could prevent flooding by allowing drains to silt up.

[All that jazz]

vonuber said:

All that jazz said:

But.. but.. but.. what about the 3 contracts my company has lost?

You really are thick aren't you. Let me explain it in very simple terms so you might grasp it.

My small team has had 3 projects cancelled in a week by clients pulling out funding. We are only 10 out of an office of 600 - other disicplines are also having things cancelled as they are interconnected. Multiply this across our uk workforce of about 10,000 you begin to see the scale.
Given the nature of the work there is a huge supply chain which stems from what we do - often lasting for years - which dwarf our fees. This goes right down to small traders.

If we don't have work, they don't have work. So yes, it's not just a worry for us.

Understand now?

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

[walm]

All that jazz said:

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

Lovely that you are relishing the fact that your vote indirectly contributed to another PH members' hardship.
Charming.

[jjlynn27]

walm said:

Thanks for helping us exercise those democratic freedoms by having a say in our next Prime Minister.
We get to vote for them, right? Right?

Mind you at least we will regain control of our borders with no free movement of labour any more.
Right?

And of course, a vote to leave will instantly resolve wealth inequality because... wibble wibble hatstand...
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that being a member or not of the EU makes any difference at all to the direction and speed of growth for different segments of society.

Given such a comprehensive rationale you might see why SOME people (those who can construct and argument involving premises based on analysis, research and the odd fact) might find the leave vote difficult to understand, while not particularly liking the EU itself.

Don't be so negative. You'll talk this country into recession with an attitude like that. Once you do that, you'll harp about how £350m is not spent on NHS.
Man up, and start talking your country up. If you speak loud and often enough, all those investors might hear you and think that it's an excellent time to invest.
It's quite obvious really. We have Mr White Dave saying 'Brexit is pretty much the same'. With such enlightened insight who needs those damn experts. What the hell do they know.
As long as we have positive outlook, work really hard and start producing 3 tractors per day instead of two, all is going to be really really good. HAVE FAITH MAN!
In twenty year time you'll see how all this was for the long-term good.
Till then, be positive and work harder man.

[JagLover]

walm said:

Thanks for helping us exercise those democratic freedoms by having a say in our next Prime Minister.
We get to vote for them, right? Right?.

Well you will be in 2020 at the latest. In terms of what is happening now you vote for an individual MP, who is part of a collective party, and that party is now choosing a new leader.

walm said:

Mind you at least we will regain control of our borders with no free movement of labour any more.
Right?.

Still to be negotiated but at the very least it should have a ban on non-UK citizens claiming anything other than contribution based benefits, and hopefully will include a move to a points based system for all migration.

walm said:

And of course, a vote to leave will instantly resolve wealth inequality because... wibble wibble hatstand...
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that being a member or not of the EU makes any difference at all to the direction and speed of growth for different segments of society.

Primarily through open borders it has.

Introduce millions more people into a country with rigid planning constraints and the only likely outcome is rising values of buildable land, benefiting certain segments of society far more than others.

Massively increase competition for unskilled and semi-skilled workers holding back wages and increasing job insecurity. Again benefiting a certain segment of society.

Then we turn to the issue of tax of multi-nationals which again is heavily linked to the EU.

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