Lots of angry people today.

[All that jazz]

walm said:

All that jazz said:

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

Lovely that you are relishing the fact that your vote indirectly contributed to another PH members' hardship.
Charming.

But yet it's okay to call those who voted differently bigots, racists, thick, etc. Charming.

[vonuber]

All that jazz said:

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/04/stimulus-hopes-markets-ftse-100-construction-business-live

Grow up.

[walm]

All that jazz said:

walm said:

All that jazz said:

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

Lovely that you are relishing the fact that your vote indirectly contributed to another PH members' hardship.
Charming.

But yet it's okay to call those who voted differently bigots, racists, thick, etc. Charming.

I never said that about Brexiteers... did vonuber?
He may have called you thick but I didn't think that was purely owing to your voting!

Either way, two wrongs and all that...

[Jockman]

I think a wee bit of compassion and respect for our fellow human beings is in order.

If you're having to have a go at someone because they are facing personal hardship then your argument has already been defeated.

[Sam All]

vonuber said:

All that jazz said:

Sounds tragic. Clearly your company was on borrowed time and teetering on the edge already if a non-binding referendum has caused such an effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/04/stimulus-hopes-markets-ftse-100-construction-business-live

Grow up.

So what happened since 2008/09? Life carried on for those who did not need their nappies changed for them. Maybe you should be blaming Darwin for this experiment

[All that jazz]

Jockman said:

I think a wee bit of compassion and respect for our fellow human beings is in order.

Indeed! They are angry right now and lashing out and abusing us but in years to come they will realise they were wrong and thank us for voting the right way.

[walm]

JagLover said:

walm said:

Thanks for helping us exercise those democratic freedoms by having a say in our next Prime Minister.
We get to vote for them, right? Right?.

Well you will be in 2020 at the latest. In terms of what is happening now you vote for an individual MP, who is part of a collective party, and that party is now choosing a new leader.

walm said:

Mind you at least we will regain control of our borders with no free movement of labour any more.
Right?.

Still to be negotiated but at the very least it should have a ban on non-UK citizens claiming anything other than contribution based benefits, and hopefully will include a move to a points based system for all migration.

walm said:

And of course, a vote to leave will instantly resolve wealth inequality because... wibble wibble hatstand...
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that being a member or not of the EU makes any difference at all to the direction and speed of growth for different segments of society.

Primarily through open borders it has.

Introduce millions more people into a country with rigid planning constraints and the only likely outcome is rising values of buildable land, benefiting certain segments of society far more than others.

Massively increase competition for unskilled and semi-skilled workers holding back wages and increasing job insecurity. Again benefiting a certain segment of society.

Then we turn to the issue of tax of multi-nationals which again is heavily linked to the EU.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/we_cannot_coun...

No - I had a vote in 2015 for various party leaders. This time 100% owing to Brexit, I have no say. Highly undemocratic.

"points based system for migration" - yeah, good luck with that. Just not gonna happen, despite what some crazy frenchman with no say in it may have once hinted.

"Massive increase in competition for unskilled workers"... sure, that extra 100-200k a year is so enormous vs. a 40m working population... just MASSIVE. 0.4% is definitely my definition of "massive".
And obviously it kept unemployment really high... oh wait - all time lows for unemployment...

And that link... jesus christ... "would save £2.36bn since 2012" WOW - that sounds HUGE compared to a drop in corporation tax from 17% to 15% - SARCASM.

Honestly - these are not good arguments.

[joscal]

The next recession was coming despite the vote, the people that didn't see it coming are clearly thick and more than likely social media 'experts'

[Jockman]

joscal said:

The next recession was coming despite the vote, the people that didn't see it coming are clearly thick and more than likely social media 'experts'

It was certainly predicted by some. Especially for the Eurozone.

[ShaunTheSheep]

joscal said:

The next recession was coming despite the vote, the people that didn't see it coming are clearly thick and more than likely social media 'experts'

It wasn't coming just now and wasn't to be as severe I think is the point being made.

[joscal]

I'm not arguing I voted in, but the incessant waffle is ridiculous imho. Life will go on and there are people far, far worse off on this planet.

[blueg33]

Voting for a recession seems pretty stupid to me. We have only just recovered from the recession that started in 2008.

I sincerely hope that we wont go into recession, but at the moment, certainly in my industry the signs are not good. In the last recession, my industry lost 150,000 jobs in the first 3 months, nearly 400,000 jobs in the first 12 months. Many people I know have only just found new jobs, many work as consultants now with little job security and a lesser income than they had in 2008.

[Kermit power]

All that jazz said:

jjlynn27 said:

All that jazz said:

Because of the way you are endlessly whining about it. You seem to be under some illusion that any jobs you take are for life and can never lead to redundancy nor change in any way. Well here's some news for you : they can and do. The referendum result sent ripples through my industry too but you don't see me ranting on internet forums like a spoilt child because people didn't vote to protect my job/industry. You need to grow the fk up. No-one cares that your company has lost 3 contracts and no amount of crying and finger pointing will change that. Deal with it.

As per title of this topic, you seem to be very angry. Unclench. You are not here to decide who posts what. If you don't like it, you can always report his post. Or skip it on a way to find another post that agrees with you.

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

I suspect he came to that conclusion by reading what you've been posting? I've just read back a few pages to see if I could find something vonuber had said to make you so angry with him personally, but I've not found it, so I assume you're just angry?

Are you one of these people who voted leave because the benefits of globalisation have been passing you by for the last couple of decades, and now you're letting out a stream of pent up bitterness? If so, I hope it works out as a nice cathartic exercise for you.

[ofcorsa]

I'm not convinced we ever left the last recession. It was just being managed better that'd all. Heard one economist saying austerity required at least until 2020

[Kermit power]

230TE said:

All that jazz said:

How you come to the conclusion that I am "angry" is beyond me. The only angry people here are you, vonuber and others because you didn't get the result you wanted and nearly 100 pages later are still lashing out at everyone that doesn't agree with you. You should close your internet browser, click the power button and go out for a nice walk or something instead.

I'm more amused than angry myself. Six months ago you would have struggled to find anyone on PH who had a good word to say about the EU. Now we are being told it is the best thing since sliced bread, rather than a 28-member clusterfk which manages to combine dirigiste socialism, corporatist pseudo-capitalism and jobs for the boys protectionism, all wrapped up in the most dysfunctional system of decision making this side of Tripoli.

The EU cannot go on as it is. Without fundamental reform it will collapse under the weight of its internal contradictions, and if people think the current situation is messy, wait and see what a disorderly disintegration looks like, with every country fighting to salvage their own national interests from the wreckage. The only hope is for someone to chuck a hand grenade into the works. The Greeks tried that but forgot to pull the pin out, so the EU corrected their mistake and lobbed the grenade straight back. Now it's our turn.

All very true, except by virtue of never being fully in Europe, we weren't the right country to lob a grenade. If France or Germany had done it, that would've been a totally different matter.

[Jockman]

blueg33 said:

Voting for a recession seems pretty stupid to me. We have only just recovered from the recession that started in 2008.

I sincerely hope that we wont go into recession, but at the moment, certainly in my industry the signs are not good. In the last recession, my industry lost 150,000 jobs in the first 3 months, nearly 400,000 jobs in the first 12 months. Many people I know have only just found new jobs, many work as consultants now with little job security and a lesser income than they had in 2008.

Nobody voted for a recession. It was predicted before the referendum by many.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/the-next-recess...

We will not know until next year.

[Kermit power]

jjlynn27 said:

Don't be so negative. You'll talk this country into recession with an attitude like that. Once you do that, you'll harp about how £350m is not spent on NHS.
Man up, and start talking your country up. If you speak loud and often enough, all those investors might hear you and think that it's an excellent time to invest.
It's quite obvious really. We have Mr White Dave saying 'Brexit is pretty much the same'. With such enlightened insight who needs those damn experts. What the hell do they know.
As long as we have positive outlook, work really hard and start producing 3 tractors per day instead of two, all is going to be really really good. HAVE FAITH MAN!
In twenty year time you'll see how all this was for the long-term good.
Till then, be positive and work harder man.

One problem with that is that we had years of Leave voters talking the country down before the referendum so that they could blame the EU for it, at a time when the country was doing pretty bloody well, and really should've and could've been talked up a hell of a lot more than it ever was.

If everyone had been as diligent talking the country up then as you want them to be now, we would've never voted to leave in the first place, because the majority of voters would've known that we lived in a bloody amazing country.

[All that jazz]

Kermit power said:

I suspect he came to that conclusion by reading what you've been posting? I've just read back a few pages to see if I could find something vonuber had said to make you so angry with him personally, but I've not found it, so I assume you're just angry?

Are you one of these people who voted leave because the benefits of globalisation have been passing you by for the last couple of decades, and now you're letting out a stream of pent up bitterness? If so, I hope it works out as a nice cathartic exercise for you.

Not at all. Couldn't be happier at the moment. Brexit gaining pace nicely, all is good. Vonuber has been posting a lot of angry stuff over the past 10 days on other threads too. For someone to be still be so angry after all that time is a sign they're not of a fit state of mind and so would go some way to explain why they make poor voting choices.

[joscal]

Jockman said:

Nobody voted for a recession. It was predicted before the referendum by many.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/the-next-recess...

We will not know until next year.

Well said, all that's happening now was happening before the bloody vote. I find it frustrating it's like people have only just become interested...mind boggles

[mph1977]

blueg33 said:

Voting for a recession seems pretty stupid to me. We have only just recovered from the recession that started in 2008.

I sincerely hope that we wont go into recession, but at the moment, certainly in my industry the signs are not good. In the last recession, my industry lost 150,000 jobs in the first 3 months, nearly 400,000 jobs in the first 12 months. Many people I know have only just found new jobs, many work as consultants now with little job security and a lesser income than they had in 2008.

But , But , But

'freedom ! ' ( waves sword about )

' taking back control '

i'm the little guy ( public schoolboy - commodity trader - political trough snouter ) and i'm helpingthe little guy despite rarely turning up to vote or speak on the committees but taking the money the deluded voted me in to get ...