Lots of angry people today.

[joscal]

mph1977 said:

But , But , But

'freedom ! ' ( waves sword about )

' taking back control '

i'm the little guy ( public schoolboy - commodity trader - political trough snouter ) and i'm helpingthe little guy despite rarely turning up to vote or speak on the committees but taking the money the deluded voted me in to get ...

Are you Michael Gove

[MG CHRIS]

ofcorsa said:

I'm not convinced we ever left the last recession. It was just being managed better that'd all. Heard one economist saying austerity required at least until 2020

I agree on that we mamnaged it better but things haven't been great since then. Im lucky that im in a job mechanic that will is a job for life everyone needs someone to fix their cars and I started my apprentership in 2009 so was lucky but loads of people are still struggling.

The vote may effect some but most people have gotten back to normal the whinging about the vote is mainly ended and people are talking about something different. People move on and adapt nobody can do the same thing for ever and be successful.

[Kermit power]

boxxob said:

Kermit power said:

All very true, except by virtue of never being fully in Europe, we weren't the right country to lob a grenade. If France or Germany had done it, that would've been a totally different matter.

Why?

Because we're too easy to dismiss as only ever having been lukewarm Europeans. The EU bureaucracy is already starting to spin the result as a borderline victory in a country that "wasn't one of us", and will quietly set about trying to fk our economy for years to come, whilst smiling and waving and putting on the illusion of trying to help us, just to keep the rest in line.

If one of the big economies in the Eurozone had voted to leave, there's no way on earth they could've pretended everything was still rosy, and the whole thing would've collapsed, at which point, we could've generously offered to help rebuild it in a more suitable image.

[don'tbesilly]

vonuber said:

Sam All said:

Man up and have faith, you will survive and even thrive. Don't be so negative.

If you do not have faith, ask why more want to come to this country than are leaving - an option available to everyone.

Have faith? We've had three large projects cancelled last week already. I don't rely on faith - faith doesn't pay the mortgage.
You are correct though I will survive one way or the other as unlike millions of leave voters I at least have the education and skills - you could say I am one of those experts we are all fed up with now - to be able to go work abroad if needs. So I will be fine, one way or the other. Those poor sods in the North East or Wales?

Being in the construction industry myself I can both empathise and sympathise with you, fortunately I'm not as elitist or opinionated as you in casting such aspersions.

Does your elitism make you feel proud of yourself?

[joscal]

And their economies aren't fekked?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Being in the construction industry myself I can both empathise and sympathise with you, fortunately I'm not as elitist or opinionated as you in casting such aspersions.

Does your elitism make you feel proud of yourself?

Unpleasant as you find it though, it is generally the people who voted leave that will be worse affected by any possible economic fallout.

Well off clever people with qualifications are going to be better off than less well off unqualified people in a recession. I know not everyone who voted to leave fits that demographic but it's broadly true, they ignored all the experts with economic warnings, some don't care about the economy, some thought they knew better.

You even see it on here, posters that know about the economy or have good jobs tended to be remainers, its not true for everyone but it tends to be the case.

[superlightr]

el stovey said:

You even see it on here, posters that know about the economy or have good jobs tended to be remainers, its not true for everyone but it tends to be the case.

Not sure if that is true. Was there a poll on PH ?

whats classed as a good job? If you dont have a good job does that make you less of a person to vote or stupid?

[Jockman]

superlightr said:

whats classed as a good job? If you dont have a good job does that make you less of a person to vote or stupid?

Both in my case

[anonymous-user]

superlightr said:

el stovey said:

You even see it on here, posters that know about the economy or have good jobs tended to be remainers, its not true for everyone but it tends to be the case.

Not sure if that is true. Was there a poll on PH ?

whats classed as a good job? If you dont have a good job does that make you less of a person to vote or stupid?

I've said nothing of the sort. Just that generally speaking, people who voted to leave, are generally the less well off and less qualified and will be more affected by any economic downturn.

[jjlynn27]

superlightr said:

el stovey said:

You even see it on here, posters that know about the economy or have good jobs tended to be remainers, its not true for everyone but it tends to be the case.

Not sure if that is true. Was there a poll on PH ?

whats classed as a good job? If you dont have a good job does that make you less of a person to vote or stupid?

This is getting really tedious. I'll bet you if you count the posts, there is a lot more faux self deprecating 'but yes we are all stupid, racist ....'.

I don't think that anyone claimed that everyone who voted leave is stupid, does stty job that they hate or spend their days in underpants. If they did, it would say more about them than people who are trying to belittle.

However statistics are what they are. Have a look on Ashcrofts exit poll that was bandied here many times.

Ashcroft said:

A majority of those working full-time or part-time voted to remain in the EU; most of those not working voted to leave. More than half of those retired on a private pension voted to leave, as did two thirds of those retired on a state pension.

Among private renters and people with mortgages, a small majority (55% and 54%) voted to remain; those who owned their homes outright voted to leave by 55% to 45%. Around two thirds of council and housing association tenants voted to leave.

A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as did 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education. Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave.

Everyone will know their own circumstances, level of education, if they are in a dead end job with no prospects or not. Doing 'haha, and I'm supposed to be stupid one' routine will not help with any of the above. Why would you care what random bunch of people, who you'll probably never meet, think of you.

[London424]

Can I ask how we know those sorts of stats as I was under the impression that voting was anonymous...is that not the case?

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

... if they are in a dead end job...

You having a 'dig' at me?

[anonymous-user]

London424 said:

Can I ask how we know those sorts of stats as I was under the impression that voting was anonymous...is that not the case?

I think they phone people up and ask them stuff.

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

jjlynn27 said:

... if they are in a dead end job...

You having a 'dig' at me?

Actual, if somewhat acidental LOL.

[crankedup]

blueg33 said:

bmw535i said:

NinjaPower said:

A lot of people I know are angry, and they've never been angry at anything political before.

And no wonder. I'm angry as well.

I was happy, really quite happy, and so was everyone I know. Business was going well, all the sectors we work in were growing steadily but surely. Unemployment was low, the economy was slowly improving, I had just been informed that business rates were being cut yet again, myself and my girlfriend have never been better off.

But now we've thrown that nice steady growth away for a gamble.

fking great.

As long as you were alright

Strange thing to say. Every business that is impacted will have a knock on effect to its suppliers, its suppliers suppliers etc.

That's why the real implications won't be known for a while. At the moment almost everyone in business that I know is seeing a decline that means they will invest less, expand less, take on fewer new people. place fewer new orders.

That's not being negative, that's what happens when business slows, and it is already slowing

Knee jerk reactions, we are a long way off the exit gate in reality. Plenty of time for businesses to strategise, good opportunity to break into some new imitatives and markets. Still plenty of shock horror around at the moment, hardly a surprise, when that subsides more positive thinking will emerge. Some will relocate, others will expand, who knows for sure until we understand the new trading regulations post Brexit. Might see others leave the EU in the meantime!

[rb5er]

el stovey said:

superlightr said:

el stovey said:

You even see it on here, posters that know about the economy or have good jobs tended to be remainers, its not true for everyone but it tends to be the case.

Not sure if that is true. Was there a poll on PH ?

whats classed as a good job? If you dont have a good job does that make you less of a person to vote or stupid?

I've said nothing of the sort. Just that generally speaking, people who voted to leave, are generally the less well off and less qualified and will be more affected by any economic downturn.

There was a poll on PH. I'd suggest that most here are above average in terms of education and success wise. The poll went in favour of leave by quite a large majority.

Your "generally speaking" is bks. I know self made millionaires that voted to leave and the only few remainers I know are working crap jobs or have a Polish girlfriend.

This demographic nonsense is just that.

[jjlynn27]

London424 said:

Can I ask how we know those sorts of stats as I was under the impression that voting was anonymous...is that not the case?

IIRC exit poll done by Ashcroft. Very similar figures from other outfits.
But that's missing the point. The whole 'ooooohhh right we all must be stupid, old , uneducated ...' bs is overplayed. Everyone knows for themselves. It would be the equivalent of getting offended by 'quisling, traitor' rants by resident dimwits. People know who they really are.

[superlightr]

I questioned the most people on PH comment.

There are so many sub divisions even on the degree statistic to be meaningless. And then even more so when comparing people who may have a degree, dead end jobs, retired, self employed etc. Its meaningless.

The only fact to take from it all is that more people voted to leave and that its fair to say a wide mix of all demographics voted to leave.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 12:34

[walm]

rb5er said:

Your "generally speaking" is bks.

[jjlynn27]

crankedup said:

Knee jerk reactions, we are a long way off the exit gate in reality. Plenty of time for businesses to strategise, good opportunity to break into some new imitatives and markets. Still plenty of shock horror around at the moment, hardly a surprise, when that subsides more positive thinking will emerge. Some will relocate, others will expand, who knows for sure until we understand the new trading regulations post Brexit. Might see others leave the EU in the meantime!

Why do you think that investors are going to wait for an 'exit gate'? Mentioned it before, huge development fairly closed to me is on hold. I was told by the brickie who was supposed to work on that site that they are in a limbo now. He came to ask me if we were proceeding with the extension that we were planning for the end of summer. We are not.

That's the reason that a lot of people, on both sides of voting, are asking now 'where next?'. Mindless bravado on here is as daft as pointless. You'll gonna be in the same boat as your colleague who might voted differently to you.