Lots of angry people today.

[blueg33]

superlightr said:

That is not even a consideration.

I have no shame voting the same way as the majority of the people in the UK and it matters not to me their demographics.

Its an individual choice. I voted becasue I know it was the right way for my conscience and beliefs. Others will vote for what they think is best.

Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 12:55

Edited by superlightr on Monday 4th July 13:00

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?

In a pure democracy, whichever group is larger.

In reality, I think some of your assumptions are unwarranted.

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required. There are plenty of issues where what is more popular might not always be the best thing to do.

I voted leave but don't think it's right that the country should be forced out of the EU based on such a small majority. Plenty of other countries require larger percentages. Even as much as 60-75%, for major constitutional changes like this.

[ofcorsa]

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Well yes, But that wasn't a new rule just brought in for this. Its not like it was a surprise that only those that could vote and did vote had a say.

[walm]

don4l said:

walm said:

Is this a convoluted way of saying that you didn't actually lose?

Or, are you just sulking?

You have some serious issues if you think that chart or my posting it implies either of those rather childish suggestions.

[Axionknight]

jjlynn27 said:

Not busted at all, check previous page for Ashcroft poll. Still don't see why people take this personally.

I missed that, more fool me for diving in like I did, cheers for the clarification

[chris watton]

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

[Jockman]

el stovey said:

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?

In a pure democracy, whichever group is larger.

In reality, I think some of your assumptions are unwarranted.

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required. There are plenty of issues where what is more popular might not always be the best thing to do.

I voted leave but don't think it's right that the country should be forced out of the EU based on such a small majority. Plenty of other countries require larger percentages. Even as much as 60-75%, for major constitutional changes like this.

Would change of Govt count as large change?

[GoodOlBoy]

el stovey said:

So if I presented you with two groups of people.

One group is more likely to be - Better educated (in all age groups), better paid, home owners, more likely to be employed,

Group b is more likely to be - Less educated, lower paid, home renters, more likely to be unemployed and on benefits.

Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?

I'd prefer we removed all of them from the process and left decisions on the future of our country to Mr Juncker in Brussels.

He's a well-educated home owner after all.

[crankedup]

jjlynn27 said:

crankedup said:

Knee jerk reactions, we are a long way off the exit gate in reality. Plenty of time for businesses to strategise, good opportunity to break into some new imitatives and markets. Still plenty of shock horror around at the moment, hardly a surprise, when that subsides more positive thinking will emerge. Some will relocate, others will expand, who knows for sure until we understand the new trading regulations post Brexit. Might see others leave the EU in the meantime!

Why do you think that investors are going to wait for an 'exit gate'? Mentioned it before, huge development fairly closed to me is on hold. I was told by the brickie who was supposed to work on that site that they are in a limbo now. He came to ask me if we were proceeding with the extension that we were planning for the end of summer. We are not.

That's the reason that a lot of people, on both sides of voting, are asking now 'where next?'. Mindless bravado on here is as daft as pointless. You'll gonna be in the same boat as your colleague who might voted differently to you.

I see no reason at this stage to panic and pull any plugs out. We all know that exit talks are not due to start for some months and that these could take some years to reach a conclusion. For me that's enough for business as usual at the moment, nothing to stop business making those plans though.
We are supposed to be a global economy, plenty of opportunity lies waiting outside of the EU , besides which we will certainly have a deal with the EU for trade as part of the conclusion.
The exit gate is long away down the road as yet and plenty of business still to be done within the EU until we wLk through that gate. Of course it is only my POV and if it transpires that I am spectacularly wrong I will be worse off financially perhaps, it's all part of life's journey. On the other hand I still err onto the positive side.

[Rovinghawk]

el stovey said:

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required.

So one remain vote has higher value than one leave vote? I disagree with the principle.

[anonymous-user]

Jockman said:

el stovey said:

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?

In a pure democracy, whichever group is larger.

In reality, I think some of your assumptions are unwarranted.

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required. There are plenty of issues where what is more popular might not always be the best thing to do.

I voted leave but don't think it's right that the country should be forced out of the EU based on such a small majority. Plenty of other countries require larger percentages. Even as much as 60-75%, for major constitutional changes like this.

Would change of Govt count as large change?

No because you can reverse that decision every four years.

[Rovinghawk]

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Those who chose not to vote indicated that they would accept the view of the majority.

[Europa1]

el stovey said:

No because you can reverse that decision every four years.

Five years.

[Jockman]

el stovey said:

Jockman said:

el stovey said:

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

Which group would you rather was responsible for making decisions on the future of your country?

In a pure democracy, whichever group is larger.

In reality, I think some of your assumptions are unwarranted.

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required. There are plenty of issues where what is more popular might not always be the best thing to do.

I voted leave but don't think it's right that the country should be forced out of the EU based on such a small majority. Plenty of other countries require larger percentages. Even as much as 60-75%, for major constitutional changes like this.

Would change of Govt count as large change?

No because you can reverse that decision every four years.

Five years but, yes, fair point.

[GoodOlBoy]

el stovey said:

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required. There are plenty of issues where what is more popular might not always be the best thing to do.

I voted leave but don't think it's right that the country should be forced out of the EU based on such a small majority. Plenty of other countries require larger percentages. Even as much as 60-75%, for major constitutional changes like this.

There was a previous major constitutional change. We were forced into the current manifestation of the EU, by that mockery of democracy, the Treaty of Lisbon. Weren't even offered a referendum.

Or rather the promised referendum was cancelled as it wouldn't have gone the right way.

[anonymous-user]

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required.

So one remain vote has higher value than one leave vote? I disagree with the principle.

Supermajorities are not really a new concept, plenty of national referendums or votes within countries or within organisations require more than 50% to make major changes to the status quo.

[crankedup]

walm said:

boxxob said:

Besides, these charts assume that Remain voters, even ones who could wave a business studies, accounting, or law degree around (come one, who does any of those for the pursuit of academic interest) have actually any more understanding of the vote than simple rubbish, misinformed rationales, such as: 'I am not racist'; 'I want to visit Europe in future'; 'without the EU would would have slavery and cannibalism' (last one is a jokey extreme parody)

You are reading far more into the chart than is there on the paper.
It tells you nothing about "understanding of the vote" at all.

It literally says that FOR WHATEVER REASON there was a slightly higher tendency to vote Remain if you have a degree.

That's it!!

The reason for this particular issue could be the sheep mentality of students, see them protesting on the streets, Baaaaa! Has the holding of a degree in nail tech' more interlock than a manual worker in a factory or a degree holder in any subject more intellect than an established successful business person?

[blueg33]

chris watton said:

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

My 21 year old voted.

My 16 year old is pissed off

[Rovinghawk]

el stovey said:

plenty of national referendums or votes within countries or within organisations require more than 50% to make major changes to the status quo.

This one didn't.

[ofcorsa]

el stovey said:

Rovinghawk said:

el stovey said:

I think when there is such a large change, a higher percentage than 51% should be required.

So one remain vote has higher value than one leave vote? I disagree with the principle.

Supermajorities are not really a new concept, plenty of national referendums or votes within countries or within organisations require more than 50% to make major changes to the status quo.

I'd not be opposed to that for future referendums. I am opposed to that being a reason to not action the result of this one.