Lots of angry people today.

[jjlynn27]

crankedup said:

jjlynn27 said:

crankedup said:

The reason for this particular issue could be the sheep mentality of students, see them protesting on the streets, Baaaaa! Has the holding of a degree in nail tech' more interlock than a manual worker in a factory or a degree holder in any subject more intellect than an established successful business person?

Nobody is talking about students. It's about degree holders.

This is hard work.

Are you suggesting that most people with degrees are not or were not students. Jeez this is hard work.

I'm not sure what's confusing you. Students, unless they are postgrads os studying for a another degree, would not be classed as degree holders, so I'm saying that most students are not degree holders and that degree holders were students.

Graph was degree holders : leave/remain.

Not sure that I can make it any easier than this.

[chris watton]

jjlynn27 said:

chris watton said:

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

Not having at dig at you personally at all, but as someone who believes in nurture over nature I have to ask; do you believe that parents have any responsibility for situations like this?

Are you serious! He is an adult and is home from Bristol Uni for the Summer, AFAIAC he is old enough to think for himself. Are you trying to bring bad parenting into this - if yes, you really are a prize jerk.

Edited by chris watton on Monday 4th July 16:19

[Disastrous]

A leave voter breaks his silence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfWMkzMNGz0

[Digga]

WinstonWolf said:

Digga said:

Would love to see the splits in terms of what degrees were actually held. I can guess.

You're not telling me that people with media studies, dance or art degrees should be calling the shots now, are you?

As far as I'm able to discern, at least up until Brexit, they were.

[Esseesse]

Interesting read: https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2016/06/...

Article said:

Eric Kaufmann said:

The Leave campaign’s stunning upset has barely sunk in and already the pundits are flogging a familiar storyline. Those ‘left behind’ in the hard-luck provinces have punched privileged, corporate London in the nose.

The facts tell a different story: culture and personality, not material circumstances, separate Leave and Remain voters. This is not a class conflict so much as a values divide that cuts across lines of age, income, education and even party.

Values, such as whether children should obey their parents or whether we should bring back the death penalty, are better indicators of a Leave or Remain vote than income, he says.

[Timmy40]

crankedup said:

blueg33 said:

crankedup said:

blueg33 said:

chris watton said:

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

My 21 year old voted.

My 16 year old is pissed off

What is their trade/profession or intent? (Passing interest)

21 year old is at Uni doing a Masters in Acoustic Engineering he is concerned that the UK Gov't are terrible at funding scientific research, typically the EU puts much more towards that than the UK. The EU funds lots of UK based research.
16 year old is at school, and wants to be a vet but is mainly focussed on being difficult to live with.....

Interesting, Cambridge being just down the road we read and hear about who is doing what in the scientific world, not that I am in anyway involved. I did listen to the commentary regarding the very real concerns regarding funding,post Brexit, and of course the fact that much funding comes from the EU.
Given the Global importance of the research of the various disciplines I would I,aging funding will be maintained through our own Government. Surely any Government will see this as a National priority.
Anyway, the very best of luck to your family in their studies and work.

Indeed. Also presumably the point of reference for saying that independant UK Governments under invest in resaerch would be 1975. The world has changed somewhat since then as has the UK.

[WinstonWolf]

Digga said:

WinstonWolf said:

Digga said:

Would love to see the splits in terms of what degrees were actually held. I can guess.

You're not telling me that people with media studies, dance or art degrees should be calling the shots now, are you?

As far as I'm able to discern, at least up until Brexit, they were.

Well they're certainly 'in the bubble'...

[jjlynn27]

chris watton said:

jjlynn27 said:

chris watton said:

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

Not having at dig at you personally at all, but as someone who believes in nurture over nature I have to ask; do you believe that parents have any responsibility for situations like this?

Are you serious! He is an adult and is home from Bristol Uni for the Summer, AFAIAC he is old enough to think for himself. Are you trying to bring bad parenting into this - if yes, you really are a prize jerk.

I started with 'Not having a dig..' and yet you still got offended. It wasn't directed at you but a general question as you mentioned it. I do agree that he's old enough to think for himself. I do believe in nurture>nature. A lot of talk how 'young people' are lazy buggers who can't be arsed. My beliefs is that 'can't be arsed' is instilled rather than born as. I asked for your opinion and you got offended and resorted to insults.

Very apt for thread title.

[Rovinghawk]

blueg33 said:

Rovinghawk said:

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Those who chose not to vote indicated that they would accept the view of the majority.

By definition, they didn't indicate anything and I doubt they would rationalise their decision they way you put it

They rather clearly indicated "I'm not bothered". Dispute that.

[walm]

jjlynn27 said:

I started with 'Not having a dig..'

Sadly that doesn't absolve you from actually having a dig!!
It very much read like you were suggesting he was a bad parent.

See Sir Philip Green and anything he says after saying "with all due respect" for reference.

[chris watton]

jjlynn27 said:

chris watton said:

jjlynn27 said:

chris watton said:

Yeah, like my 20 year old step son who is now moaning (although I don't think he knows why..) about us 'old people being selfish', and, instead of coming to the polling station with us to vote stay, decided that the online game of COD was of much more vital importance, and stayed home.

Not having at dig at you personally at all, but as someone who believes in nurture over nature I have to ask; do you believe that parents have any responsibility for situations like this?

Are you serious! He is an adult and is home from Bristol Uni for the Summer, AFAIAC he is old enough to think for himself. Are you trying to bring bad parenting into this - if yes, you really are a prize jerk.

I started with 'Not having a dig..' and yet you still got offended. It wasn't directed at you but a general question as you mentioned it. I do agree that he's old enough to think for himself. I do believe in nurture>nature. A lot of talk how 'young people' are lazy buggers who can't be arsed. My beliefs is that 'can't be arsed' is instilled rather than born as. I asked for your opinion and you got offended and resorted to insults.

Very apt for thread title.

No, because underneath your thin veneer of respectability and fairness, I know exactly what you were getting at. Regarding politics, yes, both our children are lazy and do not really give two hoots, but in all other aspects, they most certainly are not - both work when not at uni and both speak two languages.

The point of my initial post was that, despite many of the young protesting against us older folk, for many, this is a pretence and they are just regurgitating the st they read on sites such as FB and Twitter. When push comes to shove, some do not really care, no matter how much we may badger them to vote.

[Timmy40]

Rovinghawk said:

blueg33 said:

Rovinghawk said:

blueg33 said:

The majority of the people in the UK did not vote to leave, only the majority of people who actually voted.

Those who chose not to vote indicated that they would accept the view of the majority.

By definition, they didn't indicate anything and I doubt they would rationalise their decision they way you put it

They rather clearly indicated "I'm not bothered". Dispute that.

I think Rovinghawk has a very good point. It's totally risible for remainers to claim that only 1/3 voted to leave thereby questioning the legiticmacy of the result ( this seems also to have become a fashionable thing to do when the left lose elections ). However it's a fair point that the 1/3 who didn't vote by default selected that they go with the view of the majority that did vote.

The 1/3 who didn't vote should either be totally ignored in which case stop the bleating about the result, or included but assumed to be in favour of the winning side, any other interpretation would be ridiculous.

[Digga]

Our financial controller (who voted "out" FWIW) said her daughter, who voted "remain" was mildly distraught about Brexit. When she asked her what she was worried about, it was basically a list of 'stuff her teachers had told her'. We can all guess who fed the fear to the teachers.

[jjlynn27]

chris watton said:

No, because underneath your thin veneer of respectability and fairness, I know exactly what you were getting at. Regarding politics, yes, both our children are lazy and do not really give two hoots, but in all other aspects, they most certainly are not - both work when not at uni and both speak two languages.

The point of my initial post was that, despite many of the young protesting against us older folk, for many, this is a pretence and they are just regurgitating the st they read on sites such as FB and Twitter. When push comes to shove, some do not really care, no matter how much we may badger them to vote.

I don't have a veneer, you are seeing something that's just not there. You may "know" whatever you like. If I thought that you are bad parent, I'd tell you that.
You are misunderstanding things again. I'm not talking about badgering or not badgering. I'm talking about kids being lazy/disinterested to do things that need doing. I believe in nurture over nature. Other opinions are equally valid.

[JagLover]

crankedup said:

The reason for this particular issue could be the sheep mentality of students, see them protesting on the streets, Baaaaa! Has the holding of a degree in nail tech' more interlock than a manual worker in a factory or a degree holder in any subject more intellect than an established successful business person?

No doubt the case with the younger students.

They get their 2:1 in virtue signalling and think they know everything and only follow media that reinforce their indoctrination.

Life experience is what they need and for those, the majority, who won't join the elites all that lies in store for them is their twenties spent paying off student debt and then most of the rest of their lives spent paying for the mortgage on a shoebox.

[jjlynn27]

JagLover said:

crankedup said:

The reason for this particular issue could be the sheep mentality of students, see them protesting on the streets, Baaaaa! Has the holding of a degree in nail tech' more interlock than a manual worker in a factory or a degree holder in any subject more intellect than an established successful business person?

No doubt the case with the younger students.

They get their 2:1 in virtue signalling and think they know everything and only follow media that reinforce their indoctrination.

Life experience is what they need and for those, the majority, who won't join the elites all that lies in store for them is their twenties spent paying off student debt and then most of the rest of their lives spent paying for the mortgage on a shoebox.

Jesus, cheer up. It's not that bad.

[JagLover]

jjlynn27 said:

Jesus, cheer up. It's not that bad.

On that we agree

We have a chance to change things now.

[crankedup]

jjlynn27 said:

crankedup said:

jjlynn27 said:

crankedup said:

The reason for this particular issue could be the sheep mentality of students, see them protesting on the streets, Baaaaa! Has the holding of a degree in nail tech' more interlock than a manual worker in a factory or a degree holder in any subject more intellect than an established successful business person?

Nobody is talking about students. It's about degree holders.

This is hard work.

Are you suggesting that most people with degrees are not or were not students. Jeez this is hard work.

I'm not sure what's confusing you. Students, unless they are postgrads os studying for a another degree, would not be classed as degree holders, so I'm saying that most students are not degree holders and that degree holders were students.

Graph was degree holders : leave/remain.

Not sure that I can make it any easier than this.

Covered the misunderstanding earlier, but thanks for the patience and dedication to your task.

[walm]

JagLover said:

We have a chance to change things now.

Serious question, what does this mean?
What changes are you going to make?
How will you behave differently?

Given the upcoming 2.5yr hiatus I am just not sure what we should be doing!

[jjlynn27]

JagLover said:

jjlynn27 said:

Jesus, cheer up. It's not that bad.

On that we agree

We have a chance to change things now.

There you go. Now we just need hard work, few inspirational messages and tractor production is going to go trough the roof.

As ruskies would say; Za Rodinu! (along those lines anyway).