Lots of angry people today.
Discussion
MarshPhantom said:
Depressing. Staggering how many are saying "Nothing to see here, quite normal". The fire alarm analogy nails it.
Maybe the investors were trying to move their money into gilts.....they are doing well for a reason.
Edited by ///ajd on Monday 4th July 21:25
jjlynn27 said:
Sorry, didn't mean to offend, but positive attitude is all well and good when you have a plan of what you want to achieve. Seeking new deals is, imo, another meaningless phrase, we can already trade with everyone, the only thing that can change is under which agreement we'll trade. If you think that individually we can negotiate such better deals that they'll more than offset change from 0 tariff to half-decent trade deal with single market, all the power to you.
Well, let's face it, there is no plan. The Referendum asked a simple question and the majority went against what both major political parties had expected.So, we're in a bit of a vacuum and it may take a while to sort out the next steps. No point in crying over it, we are where we are. Surely, it's at times like this we should be expecting the various 'experts' to don their thinking caps to help others come up with workable, realistic, ideas that can be carefully refined into solid proposals. There's certainly no point in some of those same 'experts' adopting a head-in-sand mentality and refusing to help out because they only look at the economics and short-term issues.
The majority decided to leave the EU. Let's ALL now get on with some *constructive* discussions to make Britain Great again.
jjlynn27 said:
Sorry, didn't mean to offend, but positive attitude is all well and good when you have a plan of what you want to achieve. Seeking new deals is, imo, another meaningless phrase, we can already trade with everyone, the only thing that can change is under which agreement we'll trade. If you think that individually we can negotiate such better deals that they'll more than offset change from 0 tariff to half-decent trade deal with single market, all the power to you.
Surely seeking new deals is exactly what we will do ?The percentage of Britain's overseas exports going to the EU has fallen from 55% to 45% in the last fifteen years or so.
It continues to fall as our trade with countries outside the EU obviously continues to increase. It makes sense to further improve trade with these countries and develop new partnerships outside the EU.
On the flip side EU exports to the UK have not decreased. Neither party will wish to lose out on the current trade agreement, it simply doesn't make any sense. Angela Merkel has already made noises to silence Juncker and others who've made negative comments.
The last thing the EU needs is more financial instability, they've already got their hands full with the Eurozone.
Sam All said:
So much negativity around simply because the answer was different to what had been assumed. Move on guys. 
I think there's so much negativity because nobody in positions of influence or power or any economic experts or business leaders are positive about leaving the EU. The only positivity comes from some random people interviewed on the telly saying it might work out better in the long run. Where are all the CEOs and business leaders, world leaders or any experts in anything speaking up for the decision to leave. That's why there's negativity, because nobody clever is on the telly telling us it was a good idea.
Where are all the people that know stuff, telling us it's a great result?
Disastrous said:
Do you think he has strong views on the mutually incompatible dilemma between staying in the single market and our ability to rescind the four freedoms?
I'm sure like many he placed his cross in the box confident he'd assessed the available rhetoric, seen the helpful posters and carefully considered the pros and cons.
Edited by ///ajd on Monday 4th July 21:52
el stovey said:
Where are all the people that know stuff, telling us it's a great result?
Having told everyone that we would vote Remain by a large margin, I suspect they have died of embarrassment. No-one, but no-one, forecast this result. So unsurprisingly there aren't a whole bunch of people among the great and good who are prepared to talk about it.Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
Sorry, didn't mean to offend, but positive attitude is all well and good when you have a plan of what you want to achieve. Seeking new deals is, imo, another meaningless phrase, we can already trade with everyone, the only thing that can change is under which agreement we'll trade. If you think that individually we can negotiate such better deals that they'll more than offset change from 0 tariff to half-decent trade deal with single market, all the power to you.
Well, let's face it, there is no plan. The Referendum asked a simple question and the majority went against what both major political parties had expected.So, we're in a bit of a vacuum and it may take a while to sort out the next steps. No point in crying over it, we are where we are. Surely, it's at times like this we should be expecting the various 'experts' to don their thinking caps to help others come up with workable, realistic, ideas that can be carefully refined into solid proposals. There's certainly no point in some of those same 'experts' adopting a head-in-sand mentality and refusing to help out because they only look at the economics and short-term issues.
The majority decided to leave the EU. Let's ALL now get on with some *constructive* discussions to make Britain Great again.
Hmmm. This is the angry thread. Posts like this, suddenly now wanting some "experts" to give advice now its all going pete tong are frankly embarrassing. Don your thinking cap? How about donning it 2 weeks ago?
The "experts" all wanted us to stay in. Remember that? 88% or 99% of economists of whatever it was.
Ignored them then. Now the pound has lost 10% and your summer holiday is already £300 more expensive, billions are being wiped off tax income and investors are pulling their cash out of the UK - you suddenly want some "expert" advice to get you out of the s
theap your vote has put our economy in!Really?
It's not to late to listen to the "experts" - keep Britain Great by staying in the EU.
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MarshPhantom said:
Depressing. Staggering how many are saying "Nothing to see here, quite normal". The fire alarm analogy nails it.
Maybe the investors were trying to move their money into gilts.....they are doing well for a reason.
Edited by ///ajd on Monday 4th July 21:25
Here is another bit of good advice.
Buy TW and KIE.
I know that you would be an utter hypocrite to take my advice, so you won't buy them.
I've made a note in my diary to come back in six months and tell you that you were wrong.
jjlynn27 said:
walm said:
crankedup said:
Indeed we have a golden opportunity for a positive change.
What opportunities do we have now that we didn't have before?Nigel said that commonwealth countries are staging 'bidding war' to be first to sign new trade agreements with UK.
Must be true.
There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
vonuber said:
Sam All said:
So much negativity around simply because the answer was different to what had been assumed. Move on guys.
Or so much negativity because things are not looking good.This country has suffered much worse and few quit.
loafer123 said:
Interestingly I know that the CEO of one of the major REITs and a Board Exec Director of another both were avid Leavers and both are very much looking forward to the opportunities to make money that it is giving them.
Can you keep stuff like that to yourself please, the grim reaper has just arrived in the thread (he's never far away) and is on another rant spewing more of his poison.Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
The majority decided to leave the EU. Let's ALL now get on with some *constructive* discussions to make Britain Great again.
We don't need to have discussions about how to make Britain Great again.Britain is the 5th biggest economy on the planet.
Britain is the fourth biggest military power.
Britain is already Great.
el stovey said:
Sam All said:
So much negativity around simply because the answer was different to what had been assumed. Move on guys.
I think there's so much negativity because nobody in positions of influence or power or any economic experts or business leaders are positive about leaving the EU. The only positivity comes from some random people interviewed on the telly saying it might work out better in the long run. Where are all the CEOs and business leaders, world leaders or any experts in anything speaking up for the decision to leave. That's why there's negativity, because nobody clever is on the telly telling us it was a good idea.
Where are all the people that know stuff, telling us it's a great result?
Or do you believe Brexit is the nuclear option? And Brexit is the democratic decision.
///ajd said:
How is that bidding war going?
There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
How is your effort to do all you can to change the result going? More benign ranting on PH?There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
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Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 4th July 22:59
BIANCO said:
///ajd said:
How is that bidding war going?
There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
But the fact is we now can do a deal with them, we can now also do a deal with the other 6.5 billion not in the EU. There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
And we still can do a deal with the EU just not quite as good, for me a price worth paying to get rid of all the b
ks that comes with it. ks like this. We can have a deal with other 6.5 bill not in the EU. The ONLY thing that will change is the tariffs in place. Nothing else. And that considering that you can negotiate better deal as market of 65mil, rather than market of 500m (obviously simplified). Out of curiosity; you say price worth paying to get rid of b
ks that comes with EU.What b
ks you want to get rid of, and what price are you prepared to pay. Curious.don4l said:
You ignored my investment advice 10 days ago. You would be 10% up if you were bright enough to listen to me.
Here is another bit of good advice.
Buy TW and KIE.
I know that you would be an utter hypocrite to take my advice, so you won't buy them.
I've made a note in my diary to come back in six months and tell you that you were wrong.
Are you authorised to give investment advice?Here is another bit of good advice.
Buy TW and KIE.
I know that you would be an utter hypocrite to take my advice, so you won't buy them.
I've made a note in my diary to come back in six months and tell you that you were wrong.
Only people stupid enough to make serious, vitally important decisions based upon 'it might work out OK' would be following investment advice from you, if not.
BIANCO said:
///ajd said:
How is that bidding war going?
There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
But the fact is we now can do a deal with them, we can now also do a deal with the other 6.5 billion not in the EU. There are 4m people in NZ - we must turn our backs on the trivial 500m in the EU immediately - they are only 44% of our exports. Just imagine how much more we can sell to NZ!
Surprised this has not been in the news.
Maybe all those Standard Life investors are trying to pump their cash into NZ exports?
And we still can do a deal with the EU just not quite as good, for me a price worth paying to get rid of all the b
ks that comes with it. Its time to looo at the reality of the 'wonder markets' sold to you by "sack me, but not just yet" Hannan, and smell the coffee.
Look at all the good news about Leave. There is NONE. On a massive scale, many Leave voters have been duped.
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