Lots of angry people today.

[Monkeylegend]

TLandCruiser said:

No more lies than the remain campaign said, I woke up happy and excited and still am!

I bet Happy was a bit peed off,

[PBDirector]

The people "around me" online are all so RAGINGLY ANGRY about the stupid brexiters f%%king everything up and stealing their future.

I can't help it but I just don't understand why. I genuinely want to have a conversation with them to understand what it is they're so angry about - in the sense of "in 10-15 years time, what are the things that you want which we won't have or vice versa?" and I can't get any answers other than just hatred and anger.

Secondly - Now that young people have seen what happens if they don't vote, can they not mobilise themselves to decide what future they want for this country and then move to create it?

• shrug emoji*

[fizz47]

Harji said:

Timing or weight of numbers of the older demographic? Who knows, but what I do know is a lot of people who voted for exit voted for lies, and a fair few have regretted it already.

So no different from any election in history

Lies were told (both sides ) ..but people still voted

The actually difference is the status quo has been upset and it appears to me ones who didn't get their way can't seem to accept it.

[crankedup]

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

[chrispmartha]

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

And my point being who is he to decide what's a worthwhile degree?

He may think Fine Art is a waste of time, but tell that to the freelance illustrators who can earn a fortune

Yes , some do earn a fortune but what percentage of graduates end up earning a fortune ?

I haven't the foggiest but are you suggesting only university courses with percentage of jobs afterwards should be allowed?

The guy with the Fine Art degree may go on to have a career in a totally different field, the McDonalds jibe early on is really quite immature

There wasn't a McDonalds jibe ?

Maybe degrees with a better chance of leading to employment should cost less compared to a degree that doesn't have a decent chance of leading to a job.

Sorry the jibe was someone else.

What do you class leading to a job? I would wager that its a really high percentage of graduayes end up with 'jobs'

I'd say a job that requires you to have a degree.

A job that somebody with a few gcse's could get would be a total failure as the chances are the money invested in the graduate would of been wasted.

My point is , somebody has paid for your degree up front in the hope you then get a decent paying job and pay back your loan.

For you to end up stacking shelves would be a total waste of money for the tax payer as you could of done that job without us paying for you to go to uni.

I would say the percentage of people packing shelves for a career with degrees would be really low as to make no difference to your tax

[whoami]

crankedup said:

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

They are all too busy on Facebook bleating and whining about how unfair it all is.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup said:

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

I've just gone from behind a freelance to starting a business with 8 staff, i'm worried and the 'were british just get on with it' attitude doesnt really cut it for me,

[Robertj21a]

PBDirector said:

The people "around me" online are all so RAGINGLY ANGRY about the stupid brexiters f%%king everything up and stealing their future.

I can't help it but I just don't understand why. I genuinely want to have a conversation with them to understand what it is they're so angry about - in the sense of "in 10-15 years time, what are the things that you want which we won't have or vice versa?" and I can't get any answers other than just hatred and anger.

Secondly - Now that young people have seen what happens if they don't vote, can they not mobilise themselves to decide what future they want for this country and then move to create it?

• shrug emoji*

They will be more of the 'Me, Me, Me' generation. Parents/School/Uni has to do everything for them nowadays and, not surprisingly, they never really get to think for themselves.

[Sump]

Young people have been brought up with the EU whereas old people haven't. This is a big part of the issue here also. I'm amazed something so large was left to a penalty shootout style vote where 50.01% would have done it for the side.

A valuable lesson has been learnt here for the future, you can't trust the general public.

[egor110]

chrispmartha said:

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

egor110 said:

chrispmartha said:

And my point being who is he to decide what's a worthwhile degree?

He may think Fine Art is a waste of time, but tell that to the freelance illustrators who can earn a fortune

Yes , some do earn a fortune but what percentage of graduates end up earning a fortune ?

I haven't the foggiest but are you suggesting only university courses with percentage of jobs afterwards should be allowed?

The guy with the Fine Art degree may go on to have a career in a totally different field, the McDonalds jibe early on is really quite immature

There wasn't a McDonalds jibe ?

Maybe degrees with a better chance of leading to employment should cost less compared to a degree that doesn't have a decent chance of leading to a job.

Sorry the jibe was someone else.

What do you class leading to a job? I would wager that its a really high percentage of graduayes end up with 'jobs'

I'd say a job that requires you to have a degree.

A job that somebody with a few gcse's could get would be a total failure as the chances are the money invested in the graduate would of been wasted.

My point is , somebody has paid for your degree up front in the hope you then get a decent paying job and pay back your loan.

For you to end up stacking shelves would be a total waste of money for the tax payer as you could of done that job without us paying for you to go to uni.

I would say the percentage of people packing shelves for a career with degrees would be really low as to make no difference to your tax

Our tax not my tax , regardless of if you pay 20% or 40% it all goes into the collective piggy bank.

[wc98]

Harji said:

And searching knowledge for knowledge sake now becomes a cause of concern for peopl, jeez, what a dull world we would live in if everyone did what you think.

no problem with that, just do not expect otrher ficking people to pay for it. ffs is this such a hard concept to grasp. how has the big increase in spaniards gaining degrees helped the spanish economy for instance ?

[crankedup]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup said:

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

I've just gone from behind a freelance to starting a business with 8 staff, i'm worried and the 'were british just get on with it' attitude doesnt really cut it for me,

Would you mind, in broad terms, what is your business? You must hope that the constrictions of excessive E.U. regulations will benifit your business once some it it is removed?

[s2art]

anonymous said:

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Why? All that funding came from the UK to start with, why shouldnt it continue?

[s2art]

anonymous said:

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The entire world has access to the single market. Do you think the Japanese, Americans or Chinese dont sell a st load of stuff into Europe?

[bitchstewie]

anonymous said:

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Let's say you're correct. It's not something anyone should be looking forward to.

I don't get the amount of gloating on either side if I'm honest.

There's a lot more at stake than being right and getting the last word on an internet forum.

[s2art]

anonymous said:

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Me thick? You are the one who stated ACCESS, not tariff free access. Tariffs are only 4-5% on average, less than currency fluctuations.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup said:

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

I've just gone from behind a freelance to starting a business with 8 staff, i'm worried and the 'were british just get on with it' attitude doesnt really cut it for me,

Would you mind, in broad terms, what is your business? You must hope that the constrictions of excessive E.U. regulations will benifit your business once some it it is removed?

Creative Design Agency, its not particularly my business that's the worry itsmore my clients, in times of recession or uncertainty marketing budgets ate often the first to get cut.

I have a business partner who has also been given an EU grant )if it goes through in time) so he's obviously concerned as well.

EU regulations ateno set back at all to my business and how it runs

[s2art]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You are living in a fantasy world. You really think this government is particularly right wing? Dream on.

[KrissKross]

whoami said:

crankedup said:

This is PH, where the hell are the young entrepreneurs ? Would have thought a few people would represent a POV just how leaving may affect them and fledgling business?

They are all too busy on Facebook bleating and whining about how unfair it all is.

I have teenagers, many of their friends have been bleating and moaning about how bad it is, apparently their favourite chocolate bars wont be available in the UK any more, new one on me!

Anyway I had a chat with a few of them and explained how much of a great opportunity they now have to setup a business and look to the wider world, after a while they started to see the positive side of things.

Also I would say over half of them did agree with voting out before I said anything. Not sure if coming from a private school education makes a difference, apparently only thickies voted out?

[bitchstewie]

anonymous said:

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It doesn't matter whose "fault" it is. I voted remain but if we end up in the st to that kind of degree there won't be any time for "This is your fault you deal with it", we'll all be up to our necks in st.